Jd And Totem

[Totem]

I still do not get jde's claim that working on a diesel is some long lost art form. Where I live diesel is the norm, rednecks prefer em and 12 valve cummins if left stock and don't molest the fuel plate, never break down. I have driven nothing but diesels for over 10 years and I have more known diesel techs than I know good transmission shops. Our local Tuffy even has a Vietnam vet diesel mech who simply cannot be stumped and the labor rate is still only $75. 190,000 miles seems a lot? My cumins had 225,000 on it and was considered just "broken in" engine wise though it's on its second trans. It's well over 300,000 now. Get a Dodge Ram 12 valve and don't look back. The sorts of things you will be working on are windshield wiper motors, lights, swapping electrical connectors and alternators, that's it.

[zero]

I still do not get jde's claim that working on a diesel is some long lost art form. Where I live diesel is the norm, rednecks prefer em and 12 valve cummins if left stock and don't molest the fuel plate, never break down. I have driven nothing but diesels for over 10 years and I have more known diesel techs than I know good transmission shops. Our local Tuffy even has a Vietnam vet diesel mech who simply cannot be stumped and the labor rate is still only $75. 190,000 miles seems a lot? My cumins had 225,000 on it and was considered just "broken in" engine wise though it's on its second trans. It's well over 300,000 now. Get a Dodge Ram 12 valve and don't look back. The sorts of things you will be working on are windshield wiper motors, lights, swapping electrical connectors and alternators, that's it.

I didn't claim working on diesels is a "lost art form." Not lost. It was never here in the USA to start with. Not in the auto-repair world. Farm and industrial yes. I bet you cannot name even one mechanic in your area that knows how to repair a fuel injection pump. Remove and replace it - yes. Or how many do you know with the ability to check the automatic timing advance curve on any diesel? Again, I bet none. That was my point. Many mechanics who are willing to take apart a distributor or carburetor won't touch a fuel injection pump. Few can even check mechanical injectors. Next time you see one of your mechanic friends - ask him (or her) what they use for a diesel timing light? And just because you've had no failures - means nothing with the rest of the world. If pumps never failed - there were be no injection repair shops.

[Totem]

This seems to be an attempt to ask me how many shops I know that turn rotors. Labor ain't cheap.. Pray tell how many hours for you to refurbish a pump jde? Just because I know guys that install alternators doesn't mean they need to rebuild them I can source pumps under the cost of having a watchmaker fix them. Overhauling motors usually ain't done anymore either bud... Core & swap leave the refurbishing to the "chosen ones" that know what they are doing... Over 10 years and 300, 000 miles and I've never needed a guy that does what you speak of. I buy new rotors too.

[zero]

I'm not sure what your point is. The USA, when it comes to cars and trucks - has NEVER been a "diesel culture." In Europe - yes. Here - if you go out and buy a complete set of factory service manuals for a car or truck with a diesel engine - there will be NO repair information for the injection pump and likely little to none for the injectors. In Europe - service manuals often DO have that info. Also - in the USA - if you go out and buy a service manual for your John Deere, Ford, Allis Chalmers, International Harvester farm tractor or industrial machine - pump and injector repair info is given. Besides the lack of repair info easily accessed by the general public - tools to do the work are also esotoric and usually not found in a auto repair shop. A dealership - often yes since dealerships are often required to buy certain diagnostic tools to stay certified.

The reality is often this. If you get even a minor issue with a fuel injection pump -a mechanic is likely just going to remove it and send it out to a specialty repair shop. This sometimes means a pump that needs $10 in parts gets a $600-$800 repair charge. Same sort of thing with fuel injectors but to a lesser dollar difference.

And to compare servicing a gas engine to a diesel? If your gas engine is suspected of having sluggish timing - most mechanics own a timing light with an advance-retard dial and can check the timing advance on a running engine. A diesel has a similar working system but you will be hard-pressed to find a repair shop that has tools to check it. Again - dealers, for the most part - were forced to when these mechanically injected diesels were more current. Now - many dealers can no longer do that work. Ford and GM dealers at one time were required to have luminosity probes and electronic timing readers if they sold new diesels. When GM sold the first mainstream USA diesels -it was the Oldsmobile 350 series in the 70s. At that time- many GM dealers were sending problem vehicles to farm equipment dealers to do diagnostic work. Later on, GM did some catching up and supplied their own service tools (to a degree). Another gas to diesel comparison. If an engine misfires - any mechanic with half a brain can check ignition wires, spark plugs, etc. How about fuel injectors? Used to be any farm equipment dealer would have a tester. Not many car dealers though. Now - even less.

I realize that "modern day" mechanics repair fewer components then they used to - gas or diesel. When I first worked at a GM dealership - we did our own cylinder-head rebuilding. Also often did our own starter and generator work. Also tore apart many a carburetor and fixed it with a "Jiffy kit." Now? Mostly remove and replace and send out. But - when it comes to diesels in the USA - it has pretty much always been that way for cars and trucks.

You mentioned some vet from Nam. Not sure what connection you were inferring. But - the US Military gets special treatment when buying equipment and when the Army buys a diesel truck - it gets all the repair info too. Much more then the general public has access to.

[Totem]

I think you know the point I made, that the incidence of pump failure requiring $10 in parts is in itself esoteric; that replacing the pump is just dandy IF that's your problem so be it replace it; as far as injectors, I have seen certain people think they are bad and try to replace them only to break something else and cause more pain. Your claims that diesel is some kind of rarity in the USA is just patently false. So many Farmers and others run 2500 and 3500s, f250s, f350s... man if what you stated is true one would expect none of them would be on the road at all, just think of that pile of diesels in the junk yard all over a bad pump which rarely fails, imho.

No, diesels are common in pickups here, common in Vws, common in Mercedes and common in agro. there are plenty of mech's just like there are plenty of fuel stations. we have been down this road before.

Its funny VW just got bounced by the EPA in the USA for its diesel emissions reporting issue and it dropped its company stock 20%... that's a large drop for such a "rare" type of vehicle don't you think?

[zero]

. Your claims that diesel is some kind of rarity in the USA is just patently false. So many Farmers and others run 2500 and 3500s, f250s, f350s... man if what you stated is true one would expect none of them would be on the road at all, just think of that pile of diesels in the junk yard all over a bad pump which rarely fails, imho.

Why is it when you say you disagree with something I've said - you support your argument with things I NEVER said? Did I ever use the word "rarity?" NO. I said the USA never had a diesel "culture" when it came to autos like Europe has had for many years. People in the USA have been driving cars since around 1902. No mainstream diesels were made in the USA until the late 1970s. In Europe - late 1930s. In the USA many attempts were made to sell diesels and most were flops. Jeep offered CJs with Perkins diesels in the 60s. Almost no sales. Checker motors offered them in cars in the 60s - again - almost no sales. During one of our energy shortages - GM via its Oldsmobile division tried to make and sell diesels and the project was a huge failure. That was in cars and pickups. Dodge in 1978 tried to sell full size trucks with Mitsubishi 6 cylinder diesels - a big failure. GM tried to sell S10s with diesels. along with LUVs, Chevettes, etc. and sales were poor. GM also sold light trucks and SUVs with a new diesel V8 designed by Detroit Diesel. Again - pretty much a flop except many were bought by the military in 1986 which boosted sales. Ford tried the same with Mazda, Perkins, and BMW diesels stuck in Rangers, Escorts, Broncos, and a Lincoln Continental. Sales were very low. Early on - Ford was going to put Cummins diesels in full size trucks but baled out kind of at the last moment. As we know -Dodge did it instead - late 80s. Big hit and good sellers but never offered in the light-truck or car world. Ford did well also by buying engines from International Harvester. Again - just in trucks with GVWRs of over 8800 lbs (or around there). Now - yes - many more diesels around and mostly HD ones. Still not common in light vehicles in the USA and still very common in Europe. Seems there was one BIG issue that is different between Europe and the USA. European cars built with low power and great fuel mileage and utility in mind sold well. Here in the USA - only diesels that start like gas engines, don't make a lot of diesel "noise", and have lots of power sell well - for the most part. And before you try to stick more words in my mouth - I'm well aware of the VW, Mercedes, Isuzu, Volvo, BMW, and Peugot diesels that have been around in small numbers since the 60s (even a few Mercedes from the 50s).

Fact still remains. If you have a gas engine -you or any half-a*sed mechanic can service the ignition and carburetor or check the timing. If you have a mechanically injected diesel - you likely do not have a clue how to diagnose or fix a high pressure fuel delivery problem, ignition timing problem, etc. Even if you did have a "clue" likely you lack access to the tools to work on the components involved. And on the subject of fuel injection pumps - there were many, many failures in the 70s through the mid 90s. Mostly on Stanadyne-Roosamaster pumps that Ford and GM used. In 1993 GM finally seemed to have the early failures figured out with the DB2 pumps - and then switched to the electronic DS4 and had a high failure rate again that resulted in a big law suit. Ironically - pumps like Bosch make (German Bosch, not American Bosch) are built under license from American Stanadyne but are built better and tend to be more reliable.

[Totem]

I think the drop in VW stock by 20% on the faking of TDI epa figures in the USA shows your missing "diesel culture" theory to be thoroughly debunked.

[zero]

Sorry - I don't get the connection. Yeah . . VW lied and fudged some electronics to cheat. And now they are less popular (for a few days maybe). I'm sure being caught lying and cheating makes them a little unpopular with diesel AND gas powered vehicle owners. What the heck does this have to do with the history of diesel auto popularity in the USA? Nothing as far as I can tell.

GM just got caught lying and cheating too. In their case - they now have to pay a fine back the Feds that is a small fraction of the 11 billion took from us tax payers and given to GM. Not a diesel matter but I'm sure those who are ticked off at GM don't base their anger on if they own a gas or a diesel GMs. Some people don't like to be lied too (unless it is from our president).

[linda s]

try again. Worked. it's all yours boys. Knock yourselves out

Linda S

[FredNewell]

sumtimes we boys enjoy a good fight, even if just to watch. (grin)

[Totem]

Thanks Linda, as mentioned the relevance to my particular comment was in regards to the consideration of a proper towing vehicle and the OP could not secure the Toyota he wanted; I for one think Diesel rams are a great choice.

My dissent on JDE's views that the USA has no "diesel culture" were voiced as such to bring the attention of the farce; that there in fact is a very alive and well diesel culture, plenty of certified mechanics and for those considering any type of diesel as a potential vehicle to NOT be discouraged. I have several of them without incident, Mr. JDE does also and has in the past as well as having been a very successful diesel mechanic, so the very notion that he made his fortune with the lack of a diesel culture is at the very least disingenuous.

Also, I challenge your "Fact" that said mechanics do not posses the necessary tools to analyze and repair said vehicles.

[zero]

Mr. JDE does also and has in the past as well as having been a very successful diesel mechanic, so the very notion that he made his fortune with the lack of a diesel culture is at the very least disingenuous.

Also, I challenge your "Fact" that said mechanics do not posses the necessary tools to analyze and repair said vehicles.

I too think Dodge trucks with mechanically injected 12 valve Cummins engines are great two vehicles. So are the Fords with IH/Navistar engines. GM of the 6.2/6.5 liter vintage, not so good.

I qualified my comments, over and over, specific to mechanically injected diesels. I'm not even sure why I'm continuing this "conversation." You either have a reading-comprehension problem - or find a need to change my statements. Do you even know how the ignition advance works in any of your diesels? Can you name any non-dealer shops in your area that can test and/or repair a mechanical injection pump or injector? Can you name just one non-dealer shop that even capable of checking the timing on any diesel engine? I'm talking shops for auto repair. NOT farm or industrial equipment dealers. The latter have been well versed in diesels for over 50 years because gasoline tractors were discontinued, for the most part.

You seem to miss key points that I've made - or just ignore them. Like your "stoopid" comment e.g. "how I made a living as a diesel mechanic" if there is "no diesel culture?" As I've mentioned many times - I was a forestry, industrial, and farm equipment mechanic. The vast majority of farm tractors have been diesel since the early 60s and after 1980 - just about all of them diesel. When I say "diesel culture" - I connote a society with most people are accepting of diesels, and most repair shops equipped to work on them (like it has been for a long time in England and Europe). That has never been the case in the USA when it comes to diesel cars and light pickup trucks. And when it comes to people with mechanical skills that WANT to work on their own vehicles? Still a huge void. I was a moderator on several diesel forums for quite a few years. To this day - go to any GM diesel, Ford Diesel. Dodge diesel, Isuzu diesel forum etc. - and you will still be hard pressed to find anyone who knows how to work on diesel components. Some would like to and the repair information is not easy to get.

So you "challenge me" on the subject of who can do what? OK. We both live in Michigan. Kind of hard to prove a negative - so let's try to prove a positive. Name even one shop in Michigan (not a dealer) that can work on injectors and/or injection pump and has tools to check ignition timing curve. Just name one. Post the name and I'll call them up to verify and find out exactly what they offer. I can give you endless names of shops that cannot do it.

[shibs]

Arrighty boys, whoever wins buys me a few cold ones, does that sound fair?

US does not have a poor first time buyer diesel market.

I was out camping in Benzonia, MI and in the camp ground I saw more diesels this year than before. They are mostly shiny new 3/4 or 1 ton, I even saw a GM SRW 1 ton.

These truck cost near to $60k with tax with incentives. So they are not your average joes vehicles.

GM (or govt motors) can't even tell me how many times my truck has gone into DPF cycle.

Back on topic:

I think you both agree that Diesels suck as to when you need to debug a problem. Your mainstream mechanic is not cut it.

Once in a while we get lucky and you get the chief mechanic from CAT diesel as your neighbor.

Remember diesels are used off road for farm/industry/mining.

Hey JDE, I pass a diesel injector shop on 54th here in GR, MI, I bought some addy from them back in 2009.

[Totem]

Its no use trying to convince him, shibs. His paragraph is prefaced on him being the "judge jury and executioner"as to whoch shops qualify to be proper "culture" driven institutions... He disqualified dealerships, conveniently, so that he will not have to answer to their equipment, service bulletins or certified mechs. Thats like challenging someone to proove fast food exists without mention of mcdonalds, bk, taco bell or kfc... I have even read of a non dealership diesel shop who recently was infamous because of the owners refusal to serve a certain sexual preferenced group or muslim group; iwont name the shops name but i think its here:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/michigan_auto_repair_shop_owner_who_refuses_serve_gays_refuses_to_get_mechanic_s_license

So there jde theres your shop call him and let us lnow the results, ive been told he is one of the best diesel mechs in NA... Also marshall tuffy.

I can name 5 more that are certified diesel mechs but i'd like the first one in particular researched due in part to its notoriety..

Shibs, i got my2500 for $7500.

[zero]

Hey JDE, I pass a diesel injector shop on 54th here in GR, MI, I bought some addy from them back in 2009.

I'm not surprised. There are two diesel shops in the City of Alpena near me. That being said - that wasn't what Totem and were talking about. At least I wasn't. I was talking about automotive repair shops. Not specialty diesel shops.

[zero]

Its no use trying to convince him, shibs.

I noticed you've never answered several of my questions. Like how does your timing advance work? Or - how about - where can you buy or borrow service information for the injection pump in your Cummins or BMW diesel? I bet many here can answer those same questions if asked about their Toyota gas engines. The fact appears to be - you hardly know a thing about working on diesels. Yet - you jumped on my case when I made what I thought was a benign statement. In a feeble attempt to prove me wrong? Note - you jumped on my case. I did not jump on your's. I find that sort of behavior kind of amazing considering you have only a general knowledge about compression-ignition engines. The fact remains - nearly 50% of autos are diesel in Europe and 3% are diesel in the USA. I see that as a HUGE difference.

[rad wolfe]

quoting totem on another related topic,

"Almost everyone I spoke to considered this site and its inhabitants to be members of a "cult"

Are we a "cult"? I don't really get that accusation as in my experience, cults push away family members and excommunicate others.

One gentlemen I spoke with who refused to give his former handle said he dropped out because of "personality conflicts" with others; namely perceived hostilities from the "ringleaders" he stated.

So as a footnote and word of advice to you "ringleaders" - this is the general consensus I received at a large sampling of data."

So I have to ask,is a forum that has a topic title devoted to 2 cult heroes like this one a cult?

a "cult site"?

[Back East Don]

I'm not really sure what the argument is about as it seems more about edge details than anything else. While I'd likely consider myself a fan of diesel power in general, here in the US they developed a bad reputation from back when the American manufacturers introduced what were poorly designed and built diesel engines. Now the premium you have to pay for a diesel often outweighs the benefits. It is slowly starting to change but cost is still getting in the way. Often times you have to purchase an up fitted model in order to get a diesel as they are not options in base models. To me this strategy seems self defeating. This is more about cars than trucks but the argument is similar with trucks. If they really wanted to sell more diesels, they would do more to make it easier to choose diesel power.

A number of years ago Jeep showed the Gladiator concept which would have been powered by a diesel. Release was killed by Dodge which didn't want pressure in their pickup market. Jeep has slowly started introducing diesel but again, only at the high end at prohibited cost.

I've only owned one diesel in my life. 1959 Cat D6 bulldozer I bought to clear the land I build my current house on. Had more problems with the 2 cyl gas pony motor used to start the diesel. Other than following the automotive industry, I have no sort of background that qualifies me to comment much on the topic.

[Totem]

Jde if you can keep on track for just a second it was I who called you out on your constant bashing of diesels claiming they have no culture, following or people with knowledge. I've seen you yourself in here claim to mess up your own injectors and where did I ever claim I need to do timing on any of my vehicles? I simply pay for the repairs that you claim I cannot get. By the way I must surely be crazy lucky having had 5 diesels and not need to either do any of what you speak of at all or you just don't get the cultur and current diesels of the late 90s take your pick. You are really failing to prove anything other than some claim at being able to repair old diesel parts which I never said you couldn't.

Rad Wolfe , I can't see what you type, nor will I ever, for you lost the privilege of engaging my time and are on ignore, so bugger off back to the rock you crawled from.

Back to the diesel discussion, it's quite clear that jde cannot claim that repairs on diesels can't be made; they can and moreover at $7500 per used truck they are affordable and at 2.49 a gallon quite affordable to operate. I can find the fuel easily. Did I jump on you? Yes it's a point I make to expose untruths. On another note I'd like to see you debug the code of. Modern day car in c++ or Python. I'm quite sure you cannot.

[jjrbus]

Rad Wolfe , I can't see what you type, nor will I ever, for you lost the privilege of engaging my time and are on ignore, so bugger off back to the rock you crawled from.

Excellent behavior on a public forum, if you can't impress someone with your self diagnosed superior intellect and brilliance. Insult and belittle them! Totally unacceptable and requires an apology. Jim

[zero]

. I've seen you yourself in here claim to mess up your own injectors and where did I ever claim I need to do timing on any of my vehicles?. Did I jump on you? Yes it's a point I make to expose untruths. On another note I'd like to see you debug the code of. Modern day car in c++ or Python. I'm quite sure you cannot.

Totem - you have not exposed a single "untruth" except maybe for some of the things you have stated here. You cannot find even one statement I made that is incorrect (unless you change the words I used).

And just what injectors did I "mess up" as you put it? You are in dream-land. I posted a thread about pulling the electric-activated injectors out of my gasoline powered 1988 Toyota and found out it takes 1987 injectors. You call that messing up? WHAT planet are you on?

Hey Back East Don - got a 2 banger pony motor sitting in my barn from an old Cat. Some day I'll find a use for it. Also got a V-4 pony motor from a Deere diesel. Used a four-cylinder pony motor on a two cylinder diesel engine.

Fact remains, no matter what you say Totem - that diesel has never been inbedded into our automotive culture like it is in Africa, Asia, England, Europe, etc. Many US companies have tried to market "light" diesels since the 60s and none really caught on. VW and Mercedes probably did the best - but they are not US companies and already had the diesel tech being used overseas. To a lesser degree, Peugot, Volvo, Toyota, and Isuzu. Now even Subaru has a diesel but seems to have no interest in importing it to the US . Sure we have lots of diesel trucks and vans since the early 80s. That is not exactly a long time. Note I was talking mechanically injected diesels. GM did OK with them from 1982 to 1993, and Ford 1983 to 1994. Dodge -1989 to 1997. Not exactly a long time and NONE were available in SUVs., or light trucks except for the GMs.

You not knowing about your timing agrees with my general point. You turn the key and drive and don't have much knowledge of how any of your diesels work. Would you know it if your timing advance was getting sluggish? I doubt it. It is mentioned often here when it comes to Toyota gas engines.

Chevy just tried again with the diesel Chevy Cruze. Sales - as usual -have been awful. Chevy will also soon have a 2.8 Duramax diesel for light rigs and Toyota will have a 5 liter diesel Cummins. Again - I bet sales will be poor.

[Totem]

Rad Wolfe , I can't see what you type, nor will I ever, for you lost the privilege of engaging my time and are on ignore, so bugger off back to the rock you crawled from.

Excellent behavior on a public forum, if you can't impress someone with your self diagnosed superior intellect and brilliance. Insult and belittle them! Totally unacceptable and requires an apology. Jim

I agree, he owes me several for all of the insults, and crap that I have had to suffer in his prior threads. He has and will forever be on ignore on my account and is to date the only person I have ever felt I could do better just not reading what he says due to its extreme ignorance. I also turn off things I don't need my kids seeing on tv rather than asking the tv to change its lineup. I respect his crap but I don't need to take it. feel free to read it if you want Jim; I wont.

[Totem]

Totem - you have not exposed a single "untruth" except maybe for some of the things you have stated here. You cannot find even one statement I made that is incorrect (unless you change the words I used).

And just what injectors did I "mess up" as you put it? You are in dream-land. I posted a thread about pulling the electric-activated injectors out of my gasoline powered 1988 Toyota and found out it takes 1987 injectors. You call that messing up? WHAT planet are you on?

Hey Back East Don - got a 2 banger pony motor sitting in my barn from an old Cat. Some day I'll find a use for it. Also got a V-4 pony motor from a Deere diesel. Used a four-cylinder pony motor on a two cylinder diesel engine.

Fact remains, no matter what you say Totem - that diesel has never been inbedded into our automotive culture like it is in Africa, Asia, England, Europe, etc. Many US companies have tried to market "light" diesels since the 60s and none really caught on. VW and Mercedes probably did the best - but they are not US companies and already had the diesel tech being used overseas. To a lesser degree, Peugot, Volvo, Toyota, and Isuzu. Now even Subaru has a diesel but seems to have no interest in importing it to the US . Sure we have lots of diesel trucks and vans since the early 80s. That is not exactly a long time. Note I was talking mechanically injected diesels. GM did OK with them from 1982 to 1993, and Ford 1983 to 1994. Dodge -1989 to 1997. Not exactly a long time and NONE were available in SUVs., or light trucks except for the GMs.

You not knowing about your timing agrees with my general point. You turn the key and drive and don't have much knowledge of how any of your diesels work. Would you know it if your timing advance was getting sluggish? I doubt it. It is mentioned often here when it comes to Toyota gas engines.

Chevy just tried again with the diesel Chevy Cruze. Sales - as usual -have been awful. Chevy will also soon have a 2.8 Duramax diesel for light rigs and Toyota will have a 5 liter diesel Cummins. Again - I bet sales will be poor.

I enjoy engaging you in diesel discussion on this particular subject; your attempts to change that subject are fine. I am not discussing the physics of diesel, how they are constructed or built nor how their pumps can be rebuilt. You made comments that people brag about the reliability of diesels and that they aren't all that, and went on to say in several other threads that they are somehow difficult to repair. still yet in other threads that fuel is hard to find for them. I admittedly am not sure what the heck you are talking about. Want to know what I know about all of my diesels timing? they are all fine. that's all I need to know. They run. My ram is agreat tow vehicle. Perhaps you can agree with that since you don't seem to want to engage the topic that I have not strayed from nor do you seem to want to debug computer code any more than I want to tear apart a perfectly good pump. And by the way; should I ever feel the need to repair a pump or anything else I will. Not that I have to be, but I am surgeon with a computer when needed. you asked me if I know where I can buy repair manuals for parts and assemblies of parts? why should I buy them? I can google, or ebay or go to the library. I can even come into a forum such as the ram forums etc. I made and maintain a simple point that you disagree with; that there IS a diesel culture in the united states. Its you that changed your tune and added Africa and UK etc. Now I am done. Everyone on earth knows full well there are tons of diesels, parts and culture and shops in the USA; and not just bulldozers but real cars and trucks.

[Totem]

oh wow a tsb on timing and pumps. took me .5 seconds. http://dodgeram.info/tsb/1994/18-10-94a.htm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OTC-Cummins-Engine-Rotating-Barring-Tool-for-5-9L-B-C-Series-Engines-7471A-/261936943975?hash=item3cfca89367&item=261936943975&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cummins-MTE-Gauge-Micrometer-Caliper-Dial-Indicator-machine-shop-tool-001-/351520894295?hash=item51d8472d57

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLER-TOOL-L-4407A-MANUAL-TRANSAXLE-F-W-D-GEAR-PULLER-/111766536059?hash=item1a05cdff7b&item=111766536059&vxp=mtr

... I can continue to ebay if you like..

[zero]

oh wow a tsb on timing and pumps. took me .5 seconds. http://dodgeram.info/tsb/1994/18-10-94a.htm

Again - you've demonstrated you do not know what you are talking about. I stated clearly several times - "automatic timing advance" and NOT static timing. I guess you do not know the difference?

Also you posted info on a in-line set of pumps. That is - a set up that has one injector pump for each cylinder. That is rare for light highway vehicles in the USA. The vast majority have rotary-distributor pumps. But again - I guess you don't know the difference.

Also I never said anything about diesels being "unreliable." But there you go again - fabricating things that in reality, I never said. I've owned many diesels for 40 years. Why would I do that if I thought they were unreliable?

If you truly have an issue with anything I've said - then please - stick to something I said and not something you conjured up in your imagination.

[Totem]

"NOTE: This TSB contains the procedure used to set the injection timing for P7100 Injection pumps that were used on 1994-1998 12 Valve Cummins B engines."

that's what I have in my truck bud. sorry. now, you gonna backup what you said about the culture in the USA? I found all this in 5 seconds. I can find more.

this to your quote-

"Like how does your timing advance work? Or - how about - where can you buy or borrow service information for the injection pump in your Cummins or BMW diesel?"

My vehicle is a 1998 RAM 2500...this IS the pump in my truck!!!!

[zero]

I don't know how many different ways I can say it. I guess the problem is - you don't understand how these things work. Get over it. You are acting like an angry little child. I know more about diesels right at this moment that you will ever know- no matter how much Google searching you do. To the converse, I'm sure there are things that you know a lot more about that I do. That does not bother me at all but I don't have a huge chip on my shoulder like you do.

Automatic timing advance specs are given in degrees per RPM. Like a GM 6.2 or a Ford 7.3 that has 4 degrees advance @ 1400 RPM, 6 degrees @ 1600 RPM, etc.

Why you come here and insist on arguing about something you know so little about kind of baffles me. I assume you just want to have a "last word" like a little boy.

I have qualified my comments many time - being about "light diesels" and "mechanical injection." Your Dodge is not a "light diesel" and uses a medium-duty Cummins engine. It has a in-line pump that utilizes a separate injector pump for each cylinder. That sort of pump in the auto world in the USA is rare. Most light-duty diesels in the USA have rotary-distributor pumps - like VWs, Isuzus,Toyotas, most Mercedes, BMWs, Volvos, Peugots, Chevy 5, 6, and 6.2 liter V8s, Ford-IH 6.9 and 7.3 liter V8s, etc.

[linda s]

quoting totem on another related topic,

"Almost everyone I spoke to considered this site and its inhabitants to be members of a "cult"

Are we a "cult"? I don't really get that accusation as in my experience, cults push away family members and excommunicate others.

One gentlemen I spoke with who refused to give his former handle said he dropped out because of "personality conflicts" with others; namely perceived hostilities from the "ringleaders" he stated.

So as a footnote and word of advice to you "ringleaders" - this is the general consensus I received at a large sampling of data."

So I have to ask,is a forum that has a topic title devoted to 2 cult heroes like this one a cult?

a "cult site"?

You completely missed the point. I moved their discussion to a separate topic so everyone else who wasn't interested in their lengthy arguments could ignore them. They are not preaching religion or trashing politics at least this time. They are in fact discussing aspects of mechanics and engines. Feel free to not click on and read this topic

Linda S

[Derek up North]

General Discussion - The place to discuss your Toyota Motorhome

I think I'll relocate this, since I don't think there's any discussion of TOYOTA diesels.

[linda s]

General Discussion - The place to discuss your Toyota Motorhome

I think I'll relocate this, since I don't think there's any discussion of TOYOTA diesels.

Took me several times to move the posts I did. The site didn't let me move it to engines. Go for it. I just wanted it out of Zach's thread

Linda S

[zero]

General Discussion - The place to discuss your Toyota Motorhome

I think I'll relocate this, since I don't think there's any discussion of TOYOTA diesels.

Yes there was. I listed Toyota as one of the truck diesels that used a rotary-distributor type fuel-injection pump. Geez. Word police are getting kind of strict here. Why bother? Anyone who does not want to read discussions like this - does not have to. Not a lot of work to just "not click" on it.

[Totem]

works for me, I'm not angry in the slightest; I have yet to call anyone "stoopid", or child etc or go ad hominem as such in this discussion.

I challenge your blanket assumptions that "diesel culture wasn't embraced in the USA" to ANY degree though and you don't want to stay on that point because you failed to prove that. If this is to take the anything you can do I can do better path I wont bother. You seem to only want to talk about older diesels that aren't on the road much anymore anyway. My 1998 ram 2500 was my context point; what was yours in Zachs discussion? what year and model is it that you are speaking of that shouldn't be "bragged up" about? I foolishly engaged you on the context of trucks today that would be good candidates for a tow vehicle to pull a camper. You wanna talk obscure farm diesel? I honestly just don't get it, STILL I don't get it. which was my original point on your comment.

[Derek up North]

If anyone has a Toyota Motorhome with one of those Rotary-Distibutor type pumps installed, I'll gladly move it to a more appropriate Section.

JD, 'Word Police' would imply that I've censored some of you words. I haven't. All I ever do is 'Spill Chuck' sometimes.

[Maineah]

Diesel trucks have taken over the displacement wars of the 70's The new gas engines are far too complex for a backyard mechanic. No more hot rods just lifted trucks and black smoke from over fueled diesels. As far as cult yes TDI club.com I was able to do just about any thing you want with a product call Vag com want to see my timing curves? I used to rebuild MB pumps and even did Rossa Master pumps they were junk but they enabled the diesel to achieve higher RPM's . GM killed the US market for domestic diesels junk pumps flooding the sumps with diesel fuel, broken cranks and blown head gaskets all before they made 12,000 miles left every one with a sour taste for diesel cars.

[zero]

Diesel trucks have taken over the displacement wars of the 70's The new gas engines are far too complex for a backyard machanic. No more hot rods just lifted trucks and black smoke from over fueled diesels. As far as cult yes TDI club.com I was able to do just about any thing you want with a product call Vag com want to see my timing curves? I used to rebuild MB pumps and even did Rossa Master pumps they were junk but they enabled the diesel to achieve higher RPM's . GM killed the US market for domestic diesels junk pu flooding the sumps with diesel fuel, broken cranks and blown head gaskets all before they made 12,000 miles left every one with a sour taste for diesel cars.

No argument that GM Oldsmobile gave the diesel reputation a "black eye. " That being said - the Roosamaster/Stanadyne pumps held up much better on farm and industrial equipment then they did under the hood of a car or truck when first used. Stanadyne claimed many of the problems with their pumps were #1 from consumer "ignorance", an #2 the high underhood temps caused by sound insulation GM stuck in.

All the rotary pumps used in VWs, Mercedes, Isuzu, etc. were built under license from Stanadyne. E.g the German Bosch, Rotodiesel, Diesel Kiki, Lucas,etc. They all had to get permission to use Vernon Roosa's USA design but did a better job on it then Stanadyne did. The DB2 rotaries used in GM 5, 6.2 and early 6.5s along with Ford-IH 6.9s and 7.3s had some issues until mid 1985. After that they were very reliable. Of course - by the mid 90s - GM started using the new DS4 electronic and had all sorts of failures again. It took years to fix it. The US Army was smart and refused to use them and are still using the DB2s in Humvees.