mason Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Dear friends, I want to have my 91 warrior frame be reinforced to be able to tow some trailer with me. It is a 21 foot toy . i know that some of you have done it. Do I have it extended from the main frame of the truck(obviously) . I mean what kind of hardware do I need and how are they welded to the frame. Will have a shop doing it. Thank you in advance for your feed backs Mason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajadulce Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'm not familiar with these coaches, but they probably have a bit of skirting below the actual floor? I might suggest that if/when you do have a hitch built, that you might explore fabricating one that passes right through the bumper if possible rather than under it to help with clearance issues. I might be inclined to remove the bumper and all of its extension hardware, build the hitch as high as I could and then custom attach the bumper to the hitch. This may mean having to cut into your skirting a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'm not familiar with these coaches, but they probably have a bit of skirting below the actual floor? I might suggest that if/when you do have a hitch built, that you might explore fabricating one that passes right through the bumper if possible rather than under it to help with clearance issues. I might be inclined to remove the bumper and all of its extension hardware, build the hitch as high as I could and then custom attach the bumper to the hitch. This may mean having to cut into your skirting a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Excellent, going through instead of going over and under. I just remembered that it has rear air shocks. May be it is impossible and i should just be happy with installing a bicycle mount:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Great , I checked it up and it doesn't have the air shocks(thank god). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Here's some pics of a frame reinforcement on a Winni warrior. Lots of mods in this file. Frame stuff starts on page 22. lots of info. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oM6MT7_f5TBkGg4TxGVZq4e_kbtqKCV1FgoEv2-wI8QcggmsTcCwmOfPPY3hxbzTFypIGe5Cj6sJn83nWWeLLyfcWwGN/Winnie_Modifications.pdf From toyota-camper site at yahoo. You need to join the group to see I think http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-campers/ LS Dear friends, I want to have my 91 warrior frame be reinforced to be able to tow some trailer with me. It is a 21 foot toy . i know that some of you have done it. Do I have it extended from the main frame of the truck(obviously) . I mean what kind of hardware do I need and how are they welded to the frame. Will have a shop doing it. Thank you in advance for your feed backs Mason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Hi, I clicked on the first link that you shared. The page said not found. is it my computer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Click on second link first and join the group. Then the other link should work. Toyota campers site on yahoo is the largest toyota motorhome group and many members here belong to it. really not a problem to join and lots of info for you. The first link I posted is from a member there Lee. who did some wonderful modifications to his rig. A rig he took to Alaska and northern Canada several times with kayaks and tons of stuff. Ya have to join the group to see it though LS Hi, I clicked on the first link that you shared. The page said not found. is it my computer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAatTheCape Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Excellent, going through instead of going over and under. I just remembered that it has rear air shocks. May be it is impossible and i should just be happy with installing a bicycle mount:) I have a 93 winnie warrior 321rb and have had a 92 itasca spirit 321rb (they are the same). Both manuals say no towing. You should have rear airbags not air shocks. The airbags are mounted parallel to your rear shocks. They do not add more weight capacity - they are designed to smooth things out. In reality these units are routinely overloaded and I suspect the air bags compensate for sagging rear leaf springs. note that adding "helper" springs is a problem because of the airbags. I have seen these units with trailer hitches. Usually welded between the main frame runners and used to carry a spare or bicycles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 I see, those black cylindrical rubber looking thing next to rear tiers are air bags . May be I just put a metal bar under the rear bumper and attach a hitch to carry two bicycle on it and give up the idea of pulling a trailer. I hate to damage the toy with my greed:) Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Another question. Can i jack up the rear tire with a 2 ton floor jack to take the tire out? I want to know if some one has done it so that I don't destroy the floor jack. Thanks a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Typically, you'll have ~4000lb on the rear axle, so a 2 ton jack should handle 1 side fine. There are a number who have towed a light trailer with no problem AFTER having the rear frame extension suitably reinforced. There are even a few who have pushed the envelope and towed a small car. I agree with the manufacturer's recommendation about 'No Towing', with the frame extensions AS THEY LEFT THE FACTORY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Great now I can get to work. My rims are having some rust on them. i want to take them out and sand and repaint it. Any tips on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 I read some of the posts on painting the rims. Now i have to find high temprature hammered paint. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't think you need to search for 'high temperature' paint. Most auto parts stores will stock 'wheel paint'. Some like the hammered paint, which will better hide rust 'scars'. I prefer 'normal' paint and avoid 'silver' in favor of 'grey'. Like any paint job, preparation is 90% of the job for good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Right, not the high temperature paint but i think that i need to hide the unevenness by using hammered paint. But as you said avoid silver and go with gray. I will post a picture of before and after. And also I need to find out the condition of the rear breaks while i am at it. I don't know how the drum break comes out. I will post a picture of the drum as it is on the truck tomorrow. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hammered paint is made by Rustoleum and available everywhere. I used dollar store wheel and tire cleaner and then steel wool before I painted. Tape tires or they will be shiny for a long time. Oh and please buy the silver . Hammered finish is not that shiny and gray is yuck. Or buy both and see what you like better. Whats another 6 bucks Linda S Right, not the high temperature paint but i think that i need to hide the unevenness by using hammered paint. But as you said avoid silver and go with gray. I will post a picture of before and after. And also I need to find out the condition of the rear breaks while i am at it. I don't know how the drum break comes out. I will post a picture of the drum as it is on the truck tomorrow. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphinite no longer here Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Right, not the high temperature paint but i think that i need to hide the unevenness by using hammered paint. But as you said avoid silver and go with gray. I will post a picture of before and after. And also I need to find out the condition of the rear breaks while i am at it. I don't know how the drum break comes out. I will post a picture of the drum as it is on the truck tomorrow. Thanks, One pretty cool trick for painting wheels without removing tires involves using plain ol' liquid dish soap. After you're all done sanding and prepping the rim, really soak a sponge in the dish soap and liberally coat the tire with it but keep it off the rim. Then do your paint job. When you're all done and the paint on the rim has dried, you will be able to lightly scrub the tire with a 3M sponge pad and the overspray on the tire will come right off. The soap keeps the paint from sticking to the tire. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Thank you Linda I will experiment both colors , Hammered paint is made by Rustoleum and available everywhere. I used dollar store wheel and tire cleaner and then steel wool before I painted. Tape tires or they will be shiny for a long time. Oh and please buy the silver . Hammered finish is not that shiny and gray is yuck. Or buy both and see what you like better. Whats another 6 bucks Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Great now you tell me about the soap. Mason do you have a full floater. If you do getting the rear drum off is not so easy. You need to pull the axle first. Big job. And if you do it you will have to replace the rear axle seals. After all this time just pulling the axle can trash an old one. Just want you to be prepared. LS Yes I see yours is full float now One pretty cool trick for painting wheels without removing tires involves using plain ol' liquid dish soap. After you're all done sanding and prepping the rim, really soak a sponge in the dish soap and liberally coat the tire with it but keep it off the rim. Then do your paint job. When you're all done and the paint on the rim has dried, you will be able to lightly scrub the tire with a 3M sponge pad and the overspray on the tire will come right off. The soap keeps the paint from sticking to the tire. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Thank you John that saves a lot of time. One pretty cool trick for painting wheels without removing tires involves using plain ol' liquid dish soap. After you're all done sanding and prepping the rim, really soak a sponge in the dish soap and liberally coat the tire with it but keep it off the rim. Then do your paint job. When you're all done and the paint on the rim has dried, you will be able to lightly scrub the tire with a 3M sponge pad and the overspray on the tire will come right off. The soap keeps the paint from sticking to the tire. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 That is not good, May be i can take a pic from that little hole to see the thickness of the shoes i am glad you told me in advance. Great now you tell me about the soap. Mason do you have a full floater. If you do getting the rear drum off is not so easy. You need to pull the axle first. Big job. And if you do it you will have to replace the rear axle seals. After all this time just pulling the axle can trash an old one. Just want you to be prepared. LS Yes I see yours is full float now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunneys Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Mason, I have done some reinforcing to the back end of my RV for towing. If your RV is like mine, there is just too much over hang to add any kinda load on it. But if your pulling a four wheeler, you can beef up the hitch to take the push-pull force... (I'd really caution this even with modifications though, it is just not built right to take on any more weight back there) In this thread you can see what I have done, (Post #32 and #35) http://toyotamotorhome.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4157&st=0&p=23433&fromsearch=1entry23433 Remember, the brakes on your unit are at the upper end of what it was designed for. I'm going to use electric trailer brakes to help me on the long hills and for emergency stops, but generally will be driving slower than normal when towing anything. Hope it helps! Andrew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Hi What you did is great, a little beyond for what i want to do. My tongue weight is not going to be more than 80 pounds. I think that all i need is to strengthen the connection between the truck frame and the end of the toy. merely add and weld a c Chanel (3 to 4 feet long) and it should withstand the extra 80 pound extra. Mason, I have done some reinforcing to the back end of my RV for towing. If your RV is like mine, there is just too much over hang to add any kinda load on it. But if your pulling a four wheeler, you can beef up the hitch to take the push-pull force... (I'd really caution this even with modifications though, it is just not built right to take on any more weight back there) In this thread you can see what I have done, (Post #32 and #35) http://toyotamotorho...h=1 Remember, the brakes on your unit are at the upper end of what it was designed for. I'm going to use electric trailer brakes to help me on the long hills and for emergency stops, but generally will be driving slower than normal when towing anything. Hope it helps! Andrew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Hi I couldn't register with them . Here's some pics of a frame reinforcement on a Winni warrior. Lots of mods in this file. Frame stuff starts on page 22. lots of info. http://f1.grp.yahoof...difications.pdf From toyota-camper site at yahoo. You need to join the group to see I think http://autos.groups....toyota-campers/ LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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