Good Idea/dumb Idea

[olddog22202]

This summer I bought a '92 SeaBreeze in Nova Scotia and spent part of summer touring and ending up in Phoenix where the rig is now. Once I found some new tires (thank you LindaS) all went flawlessly. It is in almost perfect condition.

I was going to sell the MH next summer but original owner wants to buy it back. If so it will need to go back to Nova Scotia. I am THINKING of putting out the word for a person or couple that wish to take a long drive to NS to drive it there and then fly back to their home. I would provide the MH, they provide everything else.

Is this dumb? I would have jumped at the chance prior to buying a MH and wonder if I could get someone with good references to do this and it would be a win-win. If anyone has done this I would like to hear of results and opinions.

Mike

[Derek up North]

Not exactly a reply to your question, but have a read of this:-

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/shopping-for-a-us-vehicle-beware-258064351.html

I don't know what these supposed changes will make to importing a vehicle to Canada. I realize it'll be re-importing, and what the real world effect will be.

[zero]

I guess it's a good idea IF you find someone who does the job with no problems. I've been wishing I could do the same with half-a-dozen vehicles I need driven from central NY to northern Michigan. 800 miles trip, one way. In my ideal world, I wish I could find a wino somewhere (with a valid driver's license), sober him up long enough to drive something the 800 miles. Then pay him and then - let him spend it on whatever he wants. And yeah, need not be an old wino (or a him). Could be anybody that can drive one-way and maybe wants to save the expense of renting a car. The logistics of what could go wrong though are kind of scary. Bad enough with a car. Might even be worse with an RV.

When I was a kid there used be people in the business of "vehicle transport." They'd drive one-way, and hitch-hike back. They'd hitch-hike with license-plates in their hands to indicate they were not bums, but car transporters.

[bufbooth]

Why doesn't the buyer just fly to you and drive it back?

[Riverman77]

Why doesn't the buyer just fly to you and drive it back?

I agree exactly. You originally went to the same trouble to go up North to purchase the rig, import it into the States, put new tires on it and drove it down to Phoenix. If the Canadian dude wants back it bad enough, he should go through the same efforts you did, pay you a higher price (tires & repairs) and now pay for this new special re-import fee (Socialism gets you coming & going$$$). Or, so it seems to me.

Or better yet, if you don't want the RV anymore, why don't you simply place a local ad 'for sale' in Phoenix and save everyone the hassle?

~Riverman77

Edited December 24, 2014 by Riverman77

[zero]

I know you cannot hire me. I've been banned from entering Canada forever -unless I pay them a special "fee" for a waiver and get a special "interview" at the Canadian Consulate in Buffalo, NY.

Driving through Canada when driving from New York to Northern Michigan used to save me 200 miles. But after Can-a-duh got weird with me -and damn near put me in an immigration-jail - I opted to stick to the USA and go the NY-PA-OH-MI route.

Back a few years ago when I was still allowed to travel through - I had a break-down. Happened in London, Ontario and I had a truck, big camper on the back, family and a sick dog. It was a mess. I found out quick how Canada really IS foreign territory to a US citizen. I could NOT rent a truck from any company and drive it across the border. Also found out I could not buy one and drive it legally with short notice. The option I was given was to rent a truck, put my camper on it and then drive to the border. Then arrange for a 2nd truck rental and change the camper over to a US rented truck. Also had to pay a penalty or fee to do all this on Canadian soil. I did not opt for it.

[rad wolfe]

hi riverman,

perhaps you were not aware that this is a new law from the USA not Canada!

This is NOT a 'socialist' plot to separate you from your money or cause more bureaucratic paperpushing.This is your government at work.

did you even bother to read the article or just start shooting off about socialism cause it's a good dog to beat?

BTW average Canadian lifespan exceeds average US lifespan....universal health care helps.Or is it because we don't have such a hi murder rate.

I seldom respond to this knee-jerk fear of socialism but get a grip.

[Maineah]

Another good way to get "banned" from Canada is a OUI! I go to Canada customs asks the standard questions says "have a pleasant trip" I come back to the US customs assumes I'm guilty of some thing empties my car asks "where are the drugs what were you doing in Canada"? This pretty every time I come back, passport, ex cop no arrests makes me proud to be an American?

[snail powered]

If they want it that bad let them fly down and drive it back. Sell them on the idea of a drive through the USA vacation without having to pay for motels. More than one way to reel in the buyer. Just tell them you can find plenty of USA buyers (true fact) but you will give him the courtesy of right of first refusal. Besides its up to the buyer to figure out the paperwork needed. You can't do it for him since you are not the one who will be dealing with Canadian Customs.

[Derek up North]

You can't do it for him since you are not the one who will be dealing with Canadian Customs.

AFAIK, the recent new changes are on the US side of the border only. So unless things have changed (here), Canada Customs is the easy part of the process.

[Riverman77]

hi riverman,

perhaps you were not aware that this is a new law from the USA not Canada!

This is NOT a 'socialist' plot to separate you from your money or cause more bureaucratic paperpushing.This is your government at work.

did you even bother to read the article or just start shooting off about socialism cause it's a good dog to beat?

BTW average Canadian lifespan exceeds average US lifespan....universal health care helps.Or is it because we don't have such a hi murder rate.

I seldom respond to this knee-jerk fear of socialism but get a grip.

Hi rad wolfe,

You forgot to read the part where I said "coming and going". Both sides of the border makes it a nightmare to transfer a vehicle from a foreign country.

Thankfully, Corbin K (post #9) completely understood the spirit of what I was saying when she replied: "Let the buyer have the right of the first refusal".

As far as the government goes (both U.S. and Canada), they do their jobs best when they separate life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from it's citizens.

~Riverman77

[Derek up North]

Both sides of the border makes it a nightmare to transfer a vehicle from a foreign country.

I've imported quite a few from the US and UK. I've always found it easy on the Canadian side of the border. Have you had a different experience and are there any new procedures on the Canadian side you can reference?

The article I originally referenced made no mention of changes on the Canadian side, only the US side.

[Riverman77]

I've imported quite a few from the US and UK. I've always found it easy on the Canadian side of the border. Have you had a different experience and are there any new procedures on the Canadian side you can reference?

The article I originally referenced made no mention of changes on the Canadian side, only the US side.

Yes Derek,

A while back, I purchased an old Volkswagen from a fella that hadn't completed the paperwork. It still had a Canadian title. He wrote me a bill of sale and I thought everything was going to be just fine. After 2 months of in and out of DMV, the Courthouse, the County Seat, the State Patrol and the local Sheriff's Office........I simply gave up and scrapped the heap out. It was nothing but a nightmare and a big waste of time. But, I did get an education in the process....FOR ME to never attempt doing something like that ever again. Perhaps YOU or other people may have knowledge and first hand experience of going through the process. And, more power to YOU for knowing how to do so. But again, buying an out of country vehicle is not for ME.

P.S. AGAIN, my original point being let the other fella have the fun & adventure & education of importing a vehicle into another country. Or better yet, just simply sell the darn thing down in Phoenix...and be done with it already! Nuff said!!

Now go have a Merry Christmas...for Pete's sake.

~Riverman77

Edited December 24, 2014 by Riverman77

[Derek up North]

So your experience was importing a car from Canada to the US? You managed to successfully import it at the US border without problem but ran into problems when trying to register at the State level at the DMV? I'd have thought that if the paperwork you had in hand wasn't in order, they'd have turned you away at the border.

[zero]

BTW average Canadian lifespan exceeds average US lifespan....universal health care helps.Or is it because we don't have such a hi murder rate.

I seldom respond to this knee-jerk fear of socialism but get a grip.

Yes, Canada and the USA have both more-or-less adopted Socialism. At least it took us (USA) a lot longer. Canada got started after the War of 1812. We didn’t get too heavy into it until F.D.R. was president for almost forever. Now Obummer is finishing the job.

Communism is a version of Socialism and I hope that is not next.

I don’t get the big deal about Canada having a higher birth expectancy or lower murder rate. Korea has a higher life expectancy then the USA. Do I ever want to live there? Nope. USA ranks around 30^th place and I’m fine with that. I think “how you get to live your life” counts for a lot too. And even with that – the blockhead countries e.g. Denmark and Norway rated the ‘happiest” in the world. Do I want to be Danish? No thanks.

Back to life expectancy – if we forced people to exercise and only eat government approved foods, - we would probably gain some pretty high numbers in life expectancy. Stop them from driving RVs and cars and maybe gain a little more.

Also about the low Canadian murder rate claims? It depends on the part of the country and not the country itself. Québec and Ontario had hundreds of murders in 2013. Here in the city of Alpena, northern Michigan? Less then 10 in the past 20 years.

[Derek up North]

My only experience importing a car into the US. Dates back to 2005. I imported a '79 Mini from the UK into Montreal, did all the paperwork to clear Canada Customs, loaded it on a trailer and headed to the border. About 30 minutes to do the paperwork to import it into the US (it was over 25 years old) and headed to the DMV (NYS). About 10 minutes there and I had plates. No fuss, no muss.

[rad wolfe]

way back I brought in a 68 Firebird Sprint straight 6( in 67 I think it may of been 1ts GM designated in liters (3.8? 4.3?) from florida . Anyways the 15 year rule applied at that point & I knew it might be trouble at the canadian side cause it was only 14 years old ;long story short when I walked in at prescott ont the border guy didn't even come out just said nice looking 68 (no vent windows like the 67) you cant bring it in.turned around, told the us border guys what happened ,found a place in Clayton NY to store over the summer & brought it in next year.

[olddog22202]

Thanks for the input. I have proposed they accept possession in AZ or I will either keep it and use myself or sell locally.

Being a peaceable sort the only issue I have had was at the border this summer when Customs asked if I had bought anything in Canada. When I 'fessed up to an unopened bottle of Scotch he allowed as he might have to confiscate it.

I suggested he better close the gate cuz the both of us would have to consume right here and now. With a laugh and a Welcome Back he waved me through.

Pretty easy entrance and exit process I think.

MikeM

[Riverman77]

Thanks for the input. I have proposed they accept possession in AZ or I will either keep it and use myself or sell locally.

Being a peaceable sort the only issue I have had was at the border this summer when Customs asked if I had bought anything in Canada. When I 'fessed up to an unopened bottle of Scotch he allowed as he might have to confiscate it.

I suggested he better close the gate cuz the both of us would have to consume right here and now. With a laugh and a Welcome Back he waved me through.

Pretty easy entrance and exit process I think.

MikeM

Dear MikeM,

Thank you for submitting your initial question for us to chew up, digest and toss around a myriad of thoughts for you to ponder. I'm sorry that you had endure so many trains of thought and filter through all of the political rants and other off topic dialog. But, that's what we do here on this fine forum. You post a question here, and we'll reply back to you in a lot of different directions, from many different backgrounds.

As you have read, I did offer you some reasonable thoughts, based upon MYOWN personal experiences. Attempting to transfer a title into my name (a VW that was 'already' here in the U.S.) simply turned into a big nightmare for ME. I got an education with my numerous attempts and decided that I would not ever attempt such a thing like this again. I am glad to hear that there are some folks out there (Derek and yourself included) that know the rules to make trading a vehicle across country borders without too much problem. More power to you folks; It simply didn't workout that smoothly for MYSELF.

I, for one, am glad to hear of your verdict, to have the Canadian folks come to Phoenix to (re)purchase your rig. Also, your secondary plan of just selling locally, makes the most sense to me.

I have but one parting recommendation for you. You might wish to transfer the papers right at the DVM with the Canadians (or local purchaser) right with you. After the transfer has been made (with whatever special international papers may be required), be sure spend the extra couple of dollars and ask the title clerk to print you out a "Seller's Report Of Sale" document. Don't do this yourself online - get this very important document in your hand at the DMV. From that moment forward, you should have nothing to worry about, because your state (officially) recognizes your complete disassociation from said vehicle. Again, this merely MYOWN opinion from MYOWN education, after having sold a number of vehicles myself

Good luck to you in the transference of your motorhome. And, happy travels to you, should you decide to keep the rig and use it.

~Riverman77

[Vanman]

I have never sold any vechile without doing that my self. Great advice IMOP

[rad wolfe]

Yes, Canada and the USA have both more-or-less adopted Socialism. At least it took us (USA) a lot longer. Canada got started after the War of 1812. We didn’t get too heavy into it until F.D.R. was president for almost forever. Now Obummer is finishing the job.

Communism is a version of Socialism and I hope that is not next.

Canada socialist since war of 1812????

I know how hard it is for you to keep on topic but I find this offensive , does anyone else? the obsessive right wing political rants & gun love by JD & Totem belong elsewhere. I'm sure there must be are other sites where it would find approval, possibly one about "fear the socialist/communist horde - get outta town now" - so why not go there for your emotional outlet not Toyota RV please.

[rad wolfe]

BTW if JD & Totem could "muzzle" their political vitriol and stick to tech issues they often seem very knowledgeable about this would not be an issue, but it seems that eventually the dreaded political rant must rear its ugly head (for them) and fear and loathing spouts out. Stick to Toyota RVs and whine about bags/springs/suspension NOT politics and guns... can you do that?

[snail powered]

last resort use "manage ignore preferences" on your account settings

[rad wolfe]

last resort use "manage ignore preferences" on your account settings

Thanks for the advice.Although technically feasible I think it would allow them to continue unabated and unquestioned and would be akin to burying my head in the sand. I prefer to know whats going on here and comment when I think necessary (not very frequently). Maybe others should. My feelings are that they intimidate people into silence but possibly I'm wrong and people agree with them.

[zero]

Canada socialist since war of 1812????

I know how hard it is for you to keep on topic but I find this offensive , does anyone else? the obsessive right wing political rants & gun love by JD & Totem belong elsewhere. I'm sure there must be are other sites where it would find approval, possibly one about "fear the socialist/communist horde - get outta town now" - so why not go there for your emotional outlet not Toyota RV please.

Hey Rad . . . who is "calling the kettle black" here??? It is YOU that first used the word "socialist" in this thread. Not me. I responded to YOUR use of the word, ergo I was "on topic." If you feel a need to start pontificating about who/what is "socialist", and who/what is not - then be man (or woman) enough to defend your statements with some facts. My statement was in direct response to your's . Now if you disagree with any historical facts associated with the matter - then please correct me. I was not actually at the War of 1812, not did I take part in the Fenian Uprising when some of us people from the US waged war on Canada. I relay on written history like the rest of us (unless someone here has a time machine).

Whatever your true beef with me is Rad - I'm not leaving here solely because YOU want me to. If the owner or owner's for this forum want to expel me - that's fine and so be it. I would not lose a minute's sleep over it. I like this forum but I certainly do no NEED this forum. If someone here with power wants me gone because I responded DIRECTLY to something you first posted - then this is not the sort of environment I want to be part of.anyway. Hey . . there are entire societies where people live in fear of responding publicly with their true feelings. When they DO speak out - they get ejected, or worse. Seems that's what you want here.

[Derek up North]

If you really want to use your 'way back' machine, it was Riverman who first mentioned 'socialism'. Why don't we just let this old dog lie?

[rad wolfe]

I agree exactly. You originally went to the same trouble to go up North to purchase the rig, import it into the States, put new tires on it and drove it down to Phoenix. If the Canadian dude wants back it bad enough, he should go through the same efforts you did, pay you a higher price (tires & repairs) and now pay for this new special re-import fee (Socialism gets you coming & going$$$). Or, so it seems to me.

Or better yet, if you don't want the RV anymore, why don't you simply place a local ad 'for sale' in Phoenix and save everyone the hassle?

~Riverman77

Hey Rad . . . who is "calling the kettle black" here??? It is YOU that first used the word "socialist" in this thread. Not me. I responded to YOUR use of the word, ergo I was "on topic." If you feel a need to start pontificating about who/what is "socialist", and who/what is not - then be man (or woman) enough to defend your statements with some facts. My statement was in direct response to your's . Now if you disagree with any historical facts associated with the matter - then please correct me. I was not actually at the War of 1812, not did I take part in the Fenian Uprising when some of us people from the US waged war on Canada. I relay on written history like the rest of us (unless someone here has a time machine).

Whatever your true beef with me is Rad - I'm not leaving here solely because YOU want me to. If the owner or owner's for this forum want to expel me - that's fine and so be it. I would not lose a minute's sleep over it. I like this forum but I certainly do no NEED this forum. If someone here with power wants me gone because I responded DIRECTLY to something you first posted - then this is not the sort of environment I want to be part of.anyway. Hey . . there are entire societies where people live in fear of responding publicly with their true feelings. When they DO speak out - they get ejected, or worse. Seems that's what you want here.

Hey JD make more of an attempt at reading with comprehension before replying.In this particular thread this terminology was

initially used by Riverman"( Socialism gets you coming & going$$$)" since you can't apparently find it yourself I'm pointing it out to you.Man up and admit you find socialists ( or worse) under the woodpile and around every corner. Their NOT there.

When people blame socialism and it's really bureaucratic in nature I advise using a great book ...the Dictionary.

[Derek up North]

Why don't we just let this old dog lie?

[zero]

Hey JD make more of an attempt at reading with comprehension before replying.In this particular thread this terminology was

initially used by Riverman"( Socialism gets you coming & going$$$)" since you can't apparently find it yourself I'm pointing it out to you.Man up and admit you find socialists ( or worse) under the woodpile and around every corner. Their NOT there.

When people blame socialism and it's really bureaucratic in nature I advise using a great book ...the Dictionary.

OK, I acquiesce. My point still stands. My response was to YOUR use of the word - not someone else's. Did I got back and read all the posts searching for who actually coined the use here on this thread? No,I'm guilty. It was your's that caught my attention.

Note that it is now your persistence to discuss this subject that had led to it dominating this thread. Exactly what you claim you do not want on this forum.

And . . now you try to fuel the fire with . . "Man up and admit you find socialists ( or worse) under the woodpile and around every corner. Their NOT there."

No, not under any woodpiles like they used to be. In today's society they are right out in the open. Canada and the USA. Seems to me you have a very poor understanding of what socialism actually is.

[Derek up North]

This summer I bought a '92 SeaBreeze in Nova Scotia and spent part of summer touring and ending up in Phoenix where the rig is now. Once I found some new tires (thank you LindaS) all went flawlessly. It is in almost perfect condition.

I was going to sell the MH next summer but original owner wants to buy it back. If so it will need to go back to Nova Scotia. I am THINKING of putting out the word for a person or couple that wish to take a long drive to NS to drive it there and then fly back to their home. I would provide the MH, they provide everything else.

Is this dumb? I would have jumped at the chance prior to buying a MH and wonder if I could get someone with good references to do this and it would be a win-win. If anyone has done this I would like to hear of results and opinions.

Mike

So, what have you decided to do? Have you proposed that they fly down and drive it home?

[Riverman77]

Everyone:

Please accept my apologies. It was never my intention to get anybody stirred up by my use of the word Socialism. If I could jump into the 'time machine' and go back and change my original post, I would say something like: 'It seems to ME that the government on both sides of the border can make it challenging to import & export an automobile.'

Again, please accept my apologies and let us move on with life.

~Riverman77

[Totem]

Wow. Rad Wolfe is now on ignore for me. Not worth the time reading passages from someone hellbent on tricking people into being "silenced".

RIP Rad.

[rad wolfe]

Everyone:

Please accept my apologies. It was never my intention to get anybody stirred up by my use of the word Socialism. If I could jump into the 'time machine' and go back and change my original post, I would say something like: 'It seems to ME that the government on both sides of the border can make it challenging to import & export an automobile.'

Again, please accept my apologies and let us move on with life.

~Riverman77

Riverman77 my apologies for sucking your statement into an issue you didn't intent. Bureaucracy grows and seldom makes things easier for people.

yours,

Rad Wolfe

[Riverman77]

Riverman77 my apologies for sucking your statement into an issue you didn't intent. Bureaucracy grows and seldom makes things easier for people.

yours,

Rad Wolfe

Rad wolfe,

I much agree with the second part of your comment. As "bureaucracy" grows, on both sides of the border (call it the S word or not), individual freedoms diminish and life gets more complicated. Apologies accepted in return.

P.S. It sounds like the original poster of the comment got his answer from us and is possibly having the Canadian come down to Phoenix, for the RV purchase. I hope that the transaction works smoothly for both party's.

~Riverman77