MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I have an 86/87 Sun Land Cruiser that needs a new fuel pump and I’m totally confused as to what I’m supposed to order. I figured y’all would be able to know by looking at it, because I can’t tell from the pics on rockauto. thanks y’all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Factory part number is Toyota 23220-16190 Too big of a job to buy the cheapest. Here are a few from Rock Auto that match the part interchange numbers, More Information for US MOTOR WORKS USEP8023 (rockauto.com) More Information for DELPHI FE0486 (rockauto.com) Does not include strainer which is required More Information for CARTER P72165 (rockauto.com) More Information for BECK/ARNLEY 1520919 (rockauto.com) The most expensive but what I would buy Your going to need a bracket gasket too. some of these have them but some don't. Be careful pulling that bracket out. Lots of other stuff connected to it that you need like your fuel tank gauge sensor Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewanderlustking Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 A couple hints. In my Mini Cruiser I spent a bit measuring, remeasuring, then measured again and popped 6” hole saw through the floor. It ended up underneath my dining table. Per someone here’s recommendation, I then used a marine access hatch to seal it back up. Now it takes about 15 minutes to change out a fuel pump. Why? Methanol kills our pumps. So sitting there with old gas will take out an otherwise good fuel pump. I did use a Bosch file pump, it wasn’t cheap. Between the pump, holesaw, and hatch I probably was into it for $300. (MUCH LESS than paying a shop.) But now a cheap $30 Amazon spare can go into the emergency kit. Preventative maintenance if your rv will sit unused for a while like most of us, then fill up with rec fuel before it is parked. (Run the old out first.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 A lot of work for something that really doesn't need to be done much. My Sunraders are both running on original fuel pumps and they both have sat for years at times. Never had a problem. Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpanzar Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I agree Linda. additionally it's nice to pull the tank completely for inspection and cleaning. debri in the tank is often the cause for failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 We also have the good fortune to have a drain plug on our fuel tank. You get get the debris out before a problem happens. Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewanderlustking Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 YMMV, literally. (I only got 32k out of my original fuel pump.) But let me add a couple alternative points to this conversation. Linda, your scenario of still running on original fuel pumps, is kinda irrelevant. Morbo's original pump is already dead. The only way to get an original fuel pump, is to go get a used one out of another vehicle and hope it is still original. That would be silly. The quality of new parts these days is HORRIBLE. With the supply chain issues in the past couple years, quality has gone down even more too. Even a brand new Bosch fuel pump, while WAY better than the Amazon Chiniseum one, is still nowhere NEAR the quality of the original ones. I have sen plenty of brand new fuel pumps fail within 1-2 years. Even the better quality ones. In fact we are on fuel pump three in the bosses truck in only 3-4 months. He has a brand new gas tank, and a high dollar "quality" fuel pump. I have noticed there seems to be a 'burn in" or break in period for new pumps. After they have passed the 2yr mark, I rarely see them come back. But I did mine back in 2019 before the quality went WAY down the drain, and I was still concerned enough to make it an easier job to do. There was another reason I took that approach with the access hole. I had parked my Mini in my second driveway when the pump went out. It is dirt/gravel. So I couldn't lift it up safely, or high enough to drop the tank. Yes, we do have a drain plug! A super cool thing, and I will probably be using it on my new Toy in the next few days. Its fuel pump died tonight. LOL... But before I drop the tank, I will be checking to see if that one has an access panel! Heh, nope... And the first video that comes up on replacing the pump, he suggests cutting a hole. His truck had broken down in a hospital parking lot, and he couldn't drop the tank there. The main reason I took that approach on my Mini Cruiser, accessibility in any situation. And it is easy enough to do that popping in a cheap local parts house pump, or even having a cheap Amazon pump on hand, isn't a big deal. You can see into the tank really well to inspect it on my (old, now sold) Mini. Obviously you can't slosh the tank back and forth like you could if it was dropped out. But you could easily rinse the tank out from the access hole and drain out the bottom. With gas or another appropriate cleaner. I won't be cutting holes in my 4Runner to do the pump though. First off it is pretty high up and I can probably drop the rank without even putting it on ramps or jack stands. And there is no clean way to do it, it really would be a hack job on that truck. Plus it is easy to get it towed to my shop if need be. That is my last "selling point" lol! Our RV's (usually) fall into requiring special RV towing. Most tow places won't put them onto a flatbed even if they had somebody smart enough that can. While everyone should have AAA RV Towing, or Good Sam's, or both even, if you can eliminate the need for a tow and quickly repair it on site, heck yeah! Dropping the tank is usually going to be the better option. But on some of these Toyota RV's an access hole can be made cleanly and it can be a smart way to approach the repair. If you do though, make SURE to clean off the top of the tank before opening it up. You have to do this when you drop the tank too, but in that case it is easier to accomplish. Either approach is good. Both have positives and negatives. And a 6" holesaw is not cheap... But the $300 or so I spent on pump, holesaw, and access panel cover was less than a tow. Last thought/comment. Yes debris is the worst culprit and killer of pumps. But old gas with methanol is also pretty bad for them. Anyways, just another idea worth considering that will work on some of our vehicles. It isn't for everyone and it does take some effort to initially setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 (edited) Got a new pump and mount. Had to cut a line to get the tank out and now I’m stuck. This (pictured) is my current hold up. I can’t get it to turn at all and I’m wondering what can be done. Edited May 4 by MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 i would soak it in penetrating oil then using a line(flair nut) wrench het the bigger part with a torch . a few smacks with a hammer on the big part wouldn't hurt either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 5 Author Share Posted May 5 That’s a gas line and not sure you can tell, but the nut on the far end is pretty chewed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 yea you might need a hammer to get the line wrench on. if there is room you could cu the line near the nut, get a new nut then double flair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Since this is gas were talking about and the nut is trashed, I think your best option is to replace that section of the fuel line too. You want connections to fit tightly. Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 5 Author Share Posted May 5 Do I need a specific tool for this replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 depends on how you want to do it. if the line has a connection not to far away you could just unscrew the fittings and put in a new section. if you need to cut some out you will need a tube cutter and a flairing tool( can be rented for free from orileys or other parts store). take some time to practice making the double flairs. parts stores carry an assortment of lines with fittings. you will need a coupler also flair nut wrenches will go along way to keep from rounding the fittings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 p.s. thats a strange looking fuel pump. did it have wires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 6 Author Share Posted May 6 5 hours ago, extech said: p.s. thats a strange looking fuel pump. did it have wires? That’s not the pump. It’s a junction between the rubber hose (right) that connects to the pump mount and the fuel line (left) that goes up to the engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 6 Author Share Posted May 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 6 Author Share Posted May 6 Do y’all know what this piece is called? Can’t find it in rockauto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 are you asking about the part bolted to the tank or the flex line coming off of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 (edited) The line with nuts on both ends Edited May 7 by MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 https://www.yotashop.com/fuel-line-toyota-v6-3-0l-3vze-4runner-pickup-truck-oem-fuel-line-from-rail-to-supply-line-1990-1995-23801-65023/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I think this one is closer Fuel Pump Tube- Toyota 4Runner & Pickup Truck 22RE & 3.0L 3VZE Fuel Tank to Body Fuel Line (1986-1995) 23091-35020 (yotashop.com) This sht isn't cheap. Making your own is starting to sound attractive. Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 (edited) 15 minutes ago, linda s said: This sht isn't cheap. Making your own is starting to sound attractive. Linda S that’s what I’m saying. I purchased the pump you suggested and it was only $22 more than this hose. do I just get generic rubber hose and some female fittings for the ends? Edited May 7 by MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 needs to be fuel hose and pressure rated. don't know the thread or angle of connection. A/N is 37deg, others are 45deg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Toyota Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 make Shure it for fuel injection high pressure use. not common low pressure carb hose. and the clamps can be different to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Having one hell of a time finding a part that’ll fit on to the pump mount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Show me. Might help to hit the hardware store and buy a bunch of nuts or bolts if it screws in, different sizes and threads. Once you know that it is way easier to search. Search the size, male or female then fuel line fitting. Something will come up Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorboTheDMVclerk-DestroyerofDays Posted May 11 Author Share Posted May 11 M14 x 1.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Male? female? You're connecting to I think 3/8 fuel line. I see lots of possibilities but think I'm missing something. Seeing it would help Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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linda s Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Ebay Metric M14 M14X1.5 Female to 3/8" Hose ID Barb Fitting Adapter Fuel Water L-71 | eBay Amazon Metric M14 M14X1.5 Female to 3/8" Hose ID Barb Fitting Adapter Fuel Water L-71 | eBay I would show exactly what you need at a local auto parts store. NAPA seems to be the best but others might have it. This one at NAPA is 1/16 narrower at the hose but a clamp should take care of that. M14-1.5 Fuel Line Fitting | NAPA Auto Parts (napaonline.com) Linda S Looks like a brand new pump hanger. Good choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 none of those will work. notice the hanger fitting is for a bubble flair. the ones shown are female flair. you are correct tho that taking it to napa is the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extech Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 these are from my injection test equipment. the one with the outside threads is like the holder, the other is what the flex line ends will look like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 This looks like a match. https://www.fittings.space/hb32w-05-m14x15fif Yeah really hard to find Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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