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I'm looking at a rig that has lost compression in #6 cylinder, everything is decent except this issue. I'm trying to ballpark the cost to have engine rebuilt or replaced. I'm in Cali and whilst she drives fine she won't pass smog.

 

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I can't answer your question about the cost of a rebuild. However, the (relative) complexity and (relatively) high cost of doing the recommended 'clearance check and adjust valves' at 60k mile intervals can lead to it not being done, resulting in a burnt valve (reportedly most common in cylinder #6). You might only be looking at a valve job rather than a complete engine. So, perhaps people could also comment on what they've paid for a valve job.

Edit. P.S. If you care to mention where you are in California, perhaps someone can recommend a mechanic/shop near you. Also, check with your VIN for the 'head gasket recall'. Perhaps yours was never done. :)

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Thanks Derek,

I'm in San Diego but willing to travel for a good shop. Well that would be very nice for it just needed a valve job :)

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2 hours ago, Leith said:

I'm looking at a rig that has lost compression in #6 cylinder, everything is decent except this issue. I'm trying to ballpark the cost to have engine rebuilt or replaced. I'm in Cali and whilst she drives fine she won't pass smog.

 

Thanks folks

 

Squirt some motor-oil in the low cylinder and recheck. If it comes up, it is NOT a valve problem.

I have no experience with the V6 but will say this.  In this day and age with the expenses involved in good machine  work, I'd never consider rebuilding an engine (and I've done many).  Not unless there were no other better options.  Companies that do mass rebuilding keep their costs down a lot lower then an individual can.  If I needed a replacement engine - it would be a rebuilt long-block on exchange, or a brand new engine if available.  Brand new 22RE and 22Rs are available for less then $2000.  I have no idea if anything like that is available for a V6. 
 

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Thanks for that. At this point I'm looking at worse case cost to see if this rig is worth buying at all. So if I count 2k for a new engine, any idea how many hours labor at a shop to do the work? I don't have the facility to do this at home (nor the ability if I'm honest)

 

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Do the test JD recommended before you make plans for a whole new engine. That #6 valve was an issue on the V6 when valve adjustments weren't kept up. Very likely it's just a valve job

Linda S

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If you have major good Karma, you may only need a valve adjustment. There is a small period of time between when the valve goes tight and the seat burns.

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I have paid for only one automobile repair in my life (at least that I can remember).  That is when my wife was driving our Toyota Minicruiser and the waterpump went on the interstate. That $20 waterpump wound up costing us $2000.    That cost included sending the head to a machine shop for a "check up", new head gasket,new water pump, etc.   In a way, I guess I got screwed, and also - I guess such a repair bill is normal.  I cannot imagine trusting someone to do the work you mention and not wind up with a HUGE bill.  Not unless you have a friend who is a great mechanic and will work for beer.  A generic rebuilt longblock is going to be around $1600 just for the parts. If a shop prices the job at 12 hours (just a guess) and charges $75 per hour - that comes to a total of at least $2500 and I doubt you'd ever get out the door that cheap.

 

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Curious how you know it has lost compression in #6?  Owner tell you, have it tested? Jim

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9 minutes ago, jjrbus said:

Curious how you know it has lost compression in #6?  Owner tell you, have it tested? Jim

Yes, owner has told me. It failed smog and he had another place run compression test. Average shop rate around these part $110ph.

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There was a recall on those engines someone in the Facebook group had Toyota honor it I don't know specifics but check on that they have to take the head off and if it's valves you'd get a cheaper valve job or maybe free.. 

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That PDF says special service campaign is a head gasket replacement regardless of leaks. Sounds like a head gasket recall to me. 

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Though it might walk like a duck and quack like a duck, in this case it's a 'Special Service Campaign' and not a 'Recall'. Referring to it by it's correct name might make the difference when contacting a Dealer in the answer you'll get. YOMV :)

 

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diagnosing a bad valve is easy to do.   put compressed air in cylinder via spark plug hole and listen for where it comes out.  If piston is at TDC on a bad exhaust valve will allow the air to escape out the exhaust;

 

If the valve is badly burnt it will have to be replaced.  pulling the head is an all day job.  

 

I would do a compression check at least - that can be a DIY project, if one is able to remove spark plugs.   Autozone has loaner compression testers. 

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On 10/12/2016 at 0:32 PM, jdemaris said:

.  Brand new 22RE and 22Rs are available for less then $2000.  I have no idea if anything like that is available for a V6. 

 

the "brand new" 22re for $2000 is not exactly brand new. Its remanufactured and not to factory tolerances. If you are aware of factory toyota engines still being built from toyota lines for $2k that would be a great find indeed. alas the re-manufactured motors have a history of not living so long in many many cases. one might get lucky, but as you stated machining a motor to be "new" with new parts is all we have left and most shops cranking them out at $2k wont make a motor that's gonna last long in the abuse we put on these things.

 

 

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Still sounds like a valve job is the more reasonable option. It's only on one side. Other side had good compression right?

Linda S

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On 2016-10-13 at 4:48 PM, Totem said:

the "brand new" 22re for $2000 is not exactly brand new. Its remanufactured and not to factory tolerances. If you are aware of factory Toyota engines still being built from Toyota lines for $2k that would be a great find indeed. alas the re-manufactured motors have a history of not living so long in many many cases. one might get lucky, but as you stated machining a motor to be "new" with new parts is all we have left and most shops cranking them out at $2k won't make a motor that's gonna last long in the abuse we put on these things.

No Totem, I believe you are wrong. Please do not try to correct me unless you have some evidence to the contrary.  You cannot - at not at least until I refer to a specific deal. I know of several places that sell brand new Toyota engines. New blocks,new heads, etc. I cannot say if they are of the same quality as OEM was when these engines were built new.  I am talking about a brand new engine, not rebuilt. I DO know what the words mean.  I also know the difference from "rebuilt" and "new."  I can buy a brand-new 22RE for $1600 and a rebuilt for $1000.  I'm talking long-blocks.  I assume made in China just like the new complete heads with cams are.

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If someone already did a compression check - why the heck wasn't some oil squirted into the low cylinder?  That is standard procedure and will tell you right away if the low reading is from a leaking valve or piston/cylinder wear.

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On 2016-10-13 at 4:48 PM, Totem said:

the "brand new" 22re for $2000 is not exactly brand new. Its remanufactured and not to factory tolerances. If you are aware of factory Toyota engines still being built from Toyota lines for $2k that would be a great find indeed. alas the re-manufactured motors have a history of not living so long in many many cases. one might get lucky, but as you stated machining a motor to be "new" with new parts is all we have left and most shops cranking them out at $2k won't make a motor that's gonna last long in the abuse we put on these things.

Here is another brand-new one. That is . . unless  they are committing fraud and you have some inside info I am not privy to.

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simple question that I qualified well... is this made by Toyota? if so that's a steal. I'd be willing to bet these engines are not OEM.

If you wish to take a ride on the Chinese clone wagon that's your business. Fraud would be claiming to have a brand new motor made by Toyota to OEM specs. I don't see any fraud here... nor OEM quality.

So have I corrected you? "from Toyota lines" - yes I have.

Your Chinese clones do not meet the test of my correction. Reading comprehension my friend...

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On 2016-10-14 at 10:10 AM, Totem said:

simple question that I qualified well... is this made by Toyota? if so that's a steal. I'd be willing to bet these engines are not OEM.

Oh come on!  Spare me the BS.  I said they are new - and they are.  You said they are "not new" and you were wrong.   I never said they were made by Toyota.  It has been an Asian tradition for a long time to make brand new replacement engines instead of rebuilding. Or - like Datsun used to do - use brand-new casted cylinder-blocks so the cylinder-bores were standard size, but reuse major parts like rods and crankshafts.

In this case - all parts are new.  Brand new blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, head-castings, camshafts, etc.

The following is from you.   And it is wrong. That is unless you are reinventing the word "remanufactured."  These engines are "manufactured" new.  I will also note that I have requesting detailed info on them like nickel content in the block casting, if the crankshafts have hardened journals, harness of the valve seats, etc.  So far, I have not gotten those specs.  Are YOU claiming you did?  If so, please post along the source.

THIS is a quote from you . . "the "brand new" 22re for $2000 is not exactly brand new. Its remanufactured and not to factory tolerances. "

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Jeez folks, I didn't mean for my question to turn into a childish spat. There's enough of that going on in this country right now.

 

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