Thom Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 What size tires can you put on if the old ones are 185R14C? I have a 1991 Toyota SeaBreeze with duel rears. The tire shops say I am missing a number. NOT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Quote Yes you can still buy the right size tires. Here are a few examples from an online company. http://www.tires-easy.com/tires/185-Blank-14?filtering=,price Shipping price is set to my zip code so yours could be more or less depending on where you are. Also quite a few on EBay. Just put in the size and they will come up. You could also try taking your tire guy a list of the models of these tires. Most of them don't even come in a size with an aspect ratio. Strange, I needed a tire in a tiny little out of the way place a while back and the only tire place in town came up with 4 different tires he could order for me. No question about the weird size. Some people know their stuff and some should be working at McDonald's Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 53 minutes ago, Thom said: The tire shops say I am missing a number. NOT!!! Tire Monkeys are (generally) idiots. They think if they can't find it in their computer that it doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Thom said: What size tires can you put on if the old ones are 185R14C? Your tire size choices are:- 185R14, 195R14 & 195/75R14 in either Load Range 'C' or 'D'. Some might try to sell you an ST185R14. No good because the 'ST' indicates a tire for Trailer Service Only. And also refuse a 185R14 that isn't Load Range 'C' (minimum) or 'D'. They do exist, if you have deep pockets and know where to look for them. https://www.cokertire.com/catalogsearch/result/?header_year=1967&header_make=MERCEDES&header_model=250&q=185R14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso del mar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 so avoid the tire monkeys unless you're on the road and have no choice. I've never dealt with anyone less than knowledgeable at Tire Rack. they appear to have 3 choices in the C and D rated 185R14s: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185%2F&ratio=0&diameter=14&rearWidth=255%2F&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&zip-code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjrbus Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Tire EAsy still has the GoForms but only in 195 http://www.tires-easy.com/195-14/goform-tires/g325/tirecode/G110320 Several of us bought these, but I do not have enough miles on tho recommend them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso del mar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 and did I mention that 27x 8.5-14 LT tires fit in the wheel wells of at least the 84-89 generation chassis? plenty of load capacity but over an inch larger diameter (26.8 vs 25.7" for 185-14) so it will effectively regear you. better if you have a lighter vehicle and/or have regeared to a lower (higher numeric) rear end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, payaso del mar said: and did I mention that 27x 8.5-14 LT tires fit in the wheel wells of at least the 84-89 generation chassis? Those are nominally the width of a 215 tire. Are you sure they're not too wide for a dually application? They're also only rated for 1520lb @ 50psig, less that a 185R14 LR C (1600lb @ 50psig). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I know a guy that had a "fleet" of Toyota 1 ton dually box trucks. All he ever used were the cheapest P185/75-14" car tires and did fine. The reality is - they have more weight capacity then any Toyota 1 ton is ever supposed have in weight. Would not be my choice because of the thinner sidewalls that could be cut more easily on all the gravel roads I travel on. Also a little smaller diameter. I've got a set on my diesel Isuzu 4WD pickup and have been putting incredible loads on that poor thing for years and it is used mostly in the woods or gravel roads. Tires are Douglas brand and $46 each at Walmart. Got six of them on my little Toyota Chinook. I only have them on because it had NO tires on it at all when I was moving and I needed tires right away. It was what Walmart had at the time. They argued with me that their valves would fit my 6 lug Toyota dually (TOPY) rims. Then after the service manager broke six in a row, he gave up and THEN wanted to charge me for them. Needless to say I did not pay. I went across the street to a motorcycle and ATV dealer and got some metric ATV valves that fit the rims properly (very short though). When I got my new Federal 8 ply rated tires here in Michigan for my Minicruiser - the shop thought the tires were not available with the null number in the middle But he let use his computer and I found them in stock at his tire-supplier's warehouse and had them the next morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso del mar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 48 minutes ago, Derek up North said: Those are nominally the width of a 215 tire. Are you sure they're not too wide for a dually application? They're also only rated for 1520lb @ 50psig, less that a 185R14 LR C (1600lb @ 50psig). damn, you're right on the latter for sure. I thought I recalled a higher # on the sidewall of the ones on my rear. and yeah, I didn't think about dually issues. I forget that what works for a tiny MH like a bandit or chinook may not on a big'un....... honestly, the more I learn about the old chassis, the more I want to drop the Bandit onto a 4WD tundra...........the camper portion deserves to not be stuck in the early 80s like the rest of the truck is, and 2400 lbs load capacity per tire (265/70R16) should be adequate even w/o doolies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudimo Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I just bought some Yokohama 185 r 14 D's from tirerack.com $100.00 ea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjrbus Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 8 hours ago, fudimo said: I just bought some Yokohama 185 r 14 D's from tirerack.com $100.00 ea. Is the $100 a tire mounted and balanced, installed? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I can't speak for the other guy. I got my Federal Ecovan 8-ply rated tires, mounted and balanced, in Northern Michigan, for $92 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 11 hours ago, payaso del mar said: I forget that what works for a tiny MH like a bandit or chinook may not on a big'un....... I don't see why not considering the big ones have four tires in back, as compared to two in back for little Chinooks and Bandits. That's why many Chinooks came with Firestone L60-14" in back that had 12-14" wide tread. Not for weight carry, more for handling (according the people that made the motorhomes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 On the subject of 14" tires and weight load. Winnebago Lesharo, Centuri, and Phasar only had single 14" tires in back on four-lug wheels and yet had a higher GVWR then any Toyota RV ever made. 1987 had a GVWR of 6677 lbs. 1986 was a hair lower. Lots of problems with those French-sourced vehicles - but not tires, wheels, or axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda s Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Have no idea where you would find that size tire today. Upgrading to larger wheels might be the only option. Seems the only tires that size are ST trailer tires Linda S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'd run these before a trailer tire. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Grabber+AT+2&partnum=785QR4GRAT2OWL&GCID=C13674x012-tire&KEYWORD=tires.jsp_General_Grabber_AT_2_Tire&code=yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just looked on the Yahoo Lesharo Group and this is one that they talk about. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Radial+857 Yes, I know that Tirerack lists them as 'Trailer Only'. No idea why, I don't think anyone else does so and they're not marked ST205/75R14 http://www.kumhousa.com/tire/category/truck-suv/7EAB87AD-62DC-4D82-897E-E59335DE416C " For commercial light truck, transporter, van and trailer. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso del mar Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I tend to think that LT and ST tires aren't that different in design: increased sidewall stiffness as compared to p tires seems to be common to both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek up North Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Perhaps not, but I'll just assume that ST tires are marked 'Trailer Use Only' (and seem to sell for less) as reason enough to look for tires that aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payaso del mar Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 i'd been looking at the Q from the other direction: using an LT tire on a trailer, to get a trailer tire that was a little more puncture resistant when aired down. and yeah, when home, just order the right tire.....but I suspect you could use ST tire in a pinch if on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 Thank you to all who have posted. I found tires at a local shop (Discount Tire) and they are on order. All is right with the world..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjrbus Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Let us know how it goes, what you paid and how the job went. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudimo Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 On 5/17/2016 at 5:17 AM, jjrbus said: Is the $100 a tire mounted and balanced, installed? Jim Sorry for the late reply. The tires were Hundred bucks ea without mount and bal, I took the MH to a local tire shop and had them done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Jim, I got some Yokohama tires. Same 185R14's for $95ea + mount and balance at Discount Tires. Great service and very knowledgeable. Very happy..... Edited May 24, 2016 by Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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