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[Derek up North]

The last time (2-3 years ago) I asked the Manager of my local Wallyworld what the policy was, he seemed a bit surprised I'd asked. He finally replied to let them know if we'd be staying for more than 2 or 3 days. But I'm kind of out in the boonies. Maybe the smallest Wallyworld I've ever seen. Life is good.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Walmart/@45.638198,-74.330209,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xd0b58c5e799eb103

[Gary_M]

The abuse of Walmart RV parking is evident in my area. The one I used to patron now looks like nomads corner. Old shabby RVs with dogs outside barking, trailers parked and unattended. Yes abuse of the privilege The only reason for me staying at a Walmart is not being able to find space at an existing campsite or getting to the campsite too late to register.

I find it much better to find a casino or suitable place to park overnight if I cannot camp at a campsite. In Washington casinos will charge $15-25 and have basic electric hookups. Most always have vacancy.

Now I find that in California, casinos are usually free for overnight stays. That was in the Palm Springs area. Much better staying at a casino than a rest stop. Rest stops in California are freaky scary, especially at night! Stopped at rest stop in Indio and thought I was in hell. I ended up in town in a grocery parking lot near Bob Hope blvd to catch a couple hours of sleep felt a lot safer. Lucky we didn't get a ticket.

[Totem]

From Walmart's Website:-

Can I park my RV at a Walmart store?

While we do not offer electrical service or accommodations typically necessary for RV customers, Walmart values RV travelers and considers them among our best customers. Consequently, we do permit RV parking on our store parking lots as we are able. Permission to park is extended by individual store managers, based on availability of parking space and local laws. Please contact management in each store to ensure accommodations before parking your RV.

http://corporate.walmart.com/frequently-asked-questions

And this is exactly what I said, get permission and you are good. Obviously a store manager is not going to break the law.

[Totem]

Yes, it seems Fred Heath and Totem don't believe in local laws. Totem certainly hands out gold stars too easy. Don't get me wrong, I don't like many of inane local regs. That's why I live in a rural area. I can cite hundreds, probably thousands of relevant parts of local laws that make sleeping in an RV illegal unless in a "permitted" area.

Many places in southern Florida and California are militant about it.

Here' one piece of local law from Santa Cruz, CA. Note the required "written permission" when camping in a place like Walmart. Other areas in California have, by local law, banned ALL camping in RVs in any store parking lot.

6.36.010 CAMPING PROHIBITED.

No person shall camp anywhere in the city of Santa Cruz, whether on public or private property, except as hereinafter expressly permitted. “To camp” means to do any of the following:

(a) Sleeping – 11 p.m. to 8:30 a.m. To sleep at any time between the hours of 11 p.m. to 8:30 a.m. in any of the following places:

(1) Outdoors with or without bedding, tent, hammock or other similar protection or equipment;

(2) In, on or under any structure not intended for human occupancy, whether with or without bedding, tent, hammock or other similar protection or equipment;

(3) In, on or under any parked vehicle, including an automobile, bus, truck, camper, trailer or recreational vehicle.

(b ) Setting-up Bedding – 11 p.m. to 8:30 a.m. To establish or maintain outdoors or in, on or under any structure not intended for human occupancy, at any time between the hours of 11 p.m. to 8:30 a.m., a temporary or permanent place for sleeping, by setting up any bedding, sleeping bag, blanket, mattress, tent, hammock or other sleeping equipment in such a manner as to be immediately usable for sleeping purposes.

© Setting-up Campsite – Anytime. To establish or maintain outdoors or in, on, or under any structure not intended for human occupancy, at any time during the day or night, a temporary or permanent place for cooking or sleeping, by setting up any bedding, sleeping bag, blanket, mattress, tent, hammock or other sleeping equipment or by setting up any cooking equipment, with the intent to remain in that location overnight.

(Ord. 99-01 § 1, 1999: Ord. 78-29, § 2, 1978).

6.36.020 CAMPING PERMITTED. v:shapes="_x0000_i1026">

Camping may be permitted in the city of Santa Cruz only under the following circumstances:

(a) Camping in public areas specifically set aside and clearly marked for public camping purposes;

(b ) Camping events authorized and permitted by the Santa Cruz City parks and recreation department;

© Camping events authorized by the city council pursuant to Section 6.36.030;

(d) Camping:

(i) In the yard of a residence with the consent of the owner or occupant of the residence, where the camping is in the rear yard, or in an area of a side yard or front yard that is separated from view from the street by a fence, hedge or other obstruction; or

(ii) Inside of a licensed and registered motor vehicle in the parking lot on the site of a religious institution with the written consent of such institution, where the driver/occupant of such vehicle is in possession of a valid driver’s license, provided that no more than three vehicles shall be permitted at any one location; or

(iii) Inside of a licensed and registered motor vehicle in the parking lot on the site of a business institution in a non-residential district with the written consent of both the business institution and property owner, where the driver/occupant of such vehicle is in possession of a valid driver’s license, provided that no more than two vehicles shall be permitted at any one location;

(iv) Inside a licensed and registered vehicle in a residential off-street driveway with the written consent of the owner and occupant of the residence, where the driver/occupant of such vehicle is in possession of a valid driver’s license, provided that no more than one vehicle shall be permitted at any one location. No particular location shall be used for camping under this provision for more than three days during any one calendar month.

Camping shall not be permitted under this subsection where it is conducted in such a manner as to create noise, inadequate sanitation, or other matters offensive to persons of ordinary sensibility; nor where the camping is of such frequency, intensity or duration as to constitute a use of land prohibited by any provision of Title 24 of this code; nor where the camping activity would be prohibited under any other provision of this code concerning use of mobilehomes; nor where any fee, charge or other monetary consideration is collected for the privilege of camping or for any services or the use of any facilities related thereto; nor where the covenants, conditions and restrictions of a duly organized homeowners association would prohibit the activity in the residential area subject to the covenants, conditions and restrictions.

(Ord. 2002-12 § 1, 2002: Ord. 2002-05 § 1, 2002: Ord. 99-01 § 2, 1999: Ord. 95-22, § 1, 1995: Ord. 78-29, § 2, 1978).

6.36.030 PERMIT FOR CAMPING IN CITY PARKS.

(a) The director of parks and recreation may issue a permit authorizing persons or groups to camp in the improved areas of Harvey West Park, the improved area known as lower De Laveaga Park adjacent to Branciforte Drive and San Lorenzo Park bench lands upon finding that the applicant has met the city’s requirements for:

(1) Parking and traffic control;

(2) Toilet and other sanitary facilities;

(3) Security;

(4) Liability insurance;

(5) Garbage collection and cleanup;

(6) Security and cleanup deposits;

(7) Such other public health, safety and general welfare matters as may be raised by the camping application; and

(8) Environmental compliance according to the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) and the city’s CEQA Guidelines.

(b ) Except as set forth in subsection © no person or group may camp in a city park under authority of this section for more than three nights in any twelve months. No permit shall be required for security guards who camp in city parks incident to a lawful event.

© Where the camping activity is taking place in conjunction with an authorized and permitted restoration or conservation project being performed by campers at or near the campsite, the director of parks and recreation may permit an individual or group to camp in one of the afore-referenced city parks for a period of time in excess of that prescribed in subsection (b ).

(d) To ensure the fair and consistent application of this section, the director of parks and recreation shall promulgate regulations defining the criteria for permit issuance contained in this section.

(Ord. 2002-05 § 2, 2002: Ord. 89-33 § 1, 1989).

6.36.040 PENALTY – SINGLE OFFENSE.

Any person who violates any section in this chapter is guilty of an infraction and shall be subject to a fine of not more than twenty dollars. Alternatively any person who violates any section in this chapter, in lieu of a fine may, if that person so requests, be required to provide no more than eight hours of community service.

(Ord. 99-01 § 3, 1999: Ord. 79-41 § 1, 1979).

6.36.050 PENALTY – SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE WITHIN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS.

Any person who violates any section in this chapter, other than subsections (a) and (b ) of Section 6.36.010, and is cited for such violation, and who within twenty-four hours after receiving such citation again violates the same section, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(Ord. 99-01 § 4, 1999: Ord. 79-41 § l, 1979).

As usual JDE gets a "blue" star; for failing reading comprehension -

"except as hereinafter expressly permitted"

-Permission. Next

6.36.020 section iii. you FAIL

[Totem]

Gold Star from you maybe. Not what I'm going to call a universal award. Nobody - as a private property owner - has unlimited rights to give permissions on land they own if there are government laws and regs that say otherwise. If Walmart owns a lot and the local zoning regs do not allow overnight camping in RVs - then doing so is illegal. Whether that reg gets enforced is another issue. Local sheriff or constable would where I come from. State Trooper - hell no. A guy in my NY town of Worcester got cited with a summons for camping on his own land and the summons was written by the local conservation officer.

There are many regs that preempt private owner rights and NOT just on public right-of-ways. Even here in Michigan. Like in Presque Isle County. You can own 100 acres in the middle of nowhere yet are NOT allowed to built a barn unless you build a house first. Why? Head of the county code office told me that did it to keep people from buying rural land, then building pole-barns and sleeping in them.

By the way Totem, Canadians ARE Americans. USA citizens - no.

You must seriously have reading comprehension problem. I clearly stated that zoning laws etc must be observed for the few places that have them; and obviously in those circumstances you would fail to get permission. You seem to have a knack for thinking that paragraphs and paragraphs of typing can be a substitute for topic, and what is germane while at the same time restating the already stated points of your apparent engagement as your own.

[Derek up North]

And this is exactly what I said, get permission and you are good. Obviously a store manager is not going to break the law.

Twisting and turning in the wind. Earlier you were implying (or even saying, I can't be bother to check for semantics) that it didn't matter what the law said, that Wallyworld could overturn the law by giving permission.

[Totem]

I must truly laugh when someone posts a "law" that has in itself a permission clause showing EXACTLY what I stated all along, that written permission allows it.

Twisting and turning in the wind. Earlier you were implying (or even saying, I can't be bother to check for semantics) that it didn't matter what the law said, that Wallyworld could overturn the law by giving permission.

you are jde are twisting and flailing. I laugh at it and so Does Fred, the example law expressly says with written permission its ok. LOL admit defeat or cite a valid law.

[Totem]

-JDE, read thrice and post once; for all of the blowhard massive paragraphs you post to scare others into thinking its a substitute for a point the least you could do is read what you posted, I found 6.36.020 in my first skim. Derek apparently still hasn't.

[Derek up North]

Post #25:-

"A simple visit inside walmart ... to the assistant manager will give you permission. ... These laws are negated if you have permission."

I had no idea that in the US a Wallyworld Assistant Manager could overturn laws. What an unusual place you live.

[Totem]

Post #25:-

"A simple visit inside walmart ... to the assistant manager will give you permission. ... These laws are negated if you have permission."

I had no idea that in the US a Wallyworld Assistant Manager could overturn laws. What an unusual place you live.

I never stated that they could overturn laws, you however still have yet to produce a law proving that its illegal to park at wallmart without permission. Judging by the <crickets> comming from jde, I can almost hear the fevered typing of his fanatical googling trying to prove Fred and I wrong. I stand by my quote. Get permission and you are ok.

[Derek up North]

I never stated that they could overturn laws, ...

"These laws are negated if you have permission."

OK, whatever you see through whatever coloured glasses you're wearing today.

Could you please post the NYC law you seemed to quote earlier? I wonder what 'loophole' (straw) you'll clutch at in there.

You (and maybe Fred) seem to be the few who find it hard to accept there a places where laws/ordinances or other reasons preclude Walmart 'camping'.

"Walmart No Park Locations:- This is a list based on the daily visitor reports we get here and in the apps and signage. There are probably many more locations that do not allow overnight parking."

http://www.allstays.com/c/walmart-locations-noparking.htm

I doubt if there are many who care why NOP happens, just that it happens. I know I don't.

[zero]

I never stated that they could overturn laws, you however still have yet to produce a law proving that its illegal to park at wallmart without permission. Judging by the <crickets> comming from jde, I can almost hear the fevered typing of his fanatical googling trying to prove Fred and I wrong. I stand by my quote. Get permission and you are ok.

Crickets? Good Lord, you ARE demented ! I don't sit in front a computer all day. I do leave one on and when I come into the house now and then, I read and perhaps post.

Why do you find it impossible to be civil when trying to prove a point, or nullify one made by someone else? Aren't facts good enough (if you had any). Do you really think nested insults help your points?

Arguing with a fool is difficult at best. Arguing with a fool who lacks knowledge of the various local laws, board of health regs, etc. that in many parts of the USA is even more problematic.

Totem - you seem to thrive on misreading comments, mis-quoting what others say, and then act as judge and jury and try to condemn such comments - while you try to ridicule the people who make them.

Any local law that bans camping over night within city limits in an RV automatically bans doing so in a Walmart parking lot (assuming it's in those city limits). Are there many places like that? I don't have those stats. and I guess a proper answer would need a working definition of what "many" means. Are there towns, cities, or boroughs in the USA where RVs are banned from being slept in except in certain defined areas - heck yes.

To make a statement that in essence says "anyone with privately owned property can legally permit camping on that land", regardless if there are any laws or regs prohibiting it - is just plain out of his.her mind.

I've yet so see anyone post a written permission slip from a Walmart from an area that has such strict RV regs. If someone working at a Walmart DID writes such a slip - I'm sure it would have no more power then a standard "quit-claim" deed. That is - Walmart gives their permission but makes no claim that your are in compliance with other regs. Thus the reason why Walmart makes it clear, on their corporate Website - that camping only works if NOT in violation of local laws, when it comes to their parking lots.

This discussion has gotten a little idiotic. If we can't get to square one and all acknowledge we live in a nation of laws the prevent us to legally conduct certain activities on land we own - guess this is really pointless. No more zoning regs, electrical and building code enforcement, board of health regs, etc. Hey, I would not even need a driver's license to drive on a public highway if I owned it - if such was the case.

Maybe instead of farting around buying and selling houses to make a buck, I should grow opium on land I own and get rich selling the key ingredients for heroin production. I'd get rich and put Afghanistan out of business. My land - so I can do what I want, right Totem?

Here's kind of a funny but sad article from a camping magazine in 1970. 45 years ago and even then there were towns trying to ban RVs.

[Gary_M]

45 years and we're still getting away with it, whatever that is.

[Totem]

1.)JDE, you and Derek are on the same side of an argument you have yet to prove absolutely ANYTHING at all. I see myself as a nation builder for this given your past history, yet you both have failed to prove that its illegal in the law to park at walmart.

2.) The law you posted in 6.36.020 section iii. clearly states that with written permission you CAN camp there. LOL you didnt even bother to read the very thing you intend to prove a point with in your absurd argument with me; in fact it proved my point. So again post a "law" that proves that its illegal to camp at walmart without permission.

2.) "These laws are negated if you have permission." - and this is for Dereck, YESSSS! you finally get it; 6.36.020 section iii clearly states my point. If you know of a law that states otherwise I should be shut up immediately. I suspect you wont find it because it strikes at the heart of private property rights.

2.5) jde, you claiming I am insulting people in points is the pot calling the kettle black. you posting the santa cruz "law" as if it somehow has any effect on my statement without reading it disqualifies you from ever arguing with me again, let alone your snarky past comments about medication and the like. I respect you and right now I'll gladly say I love your gusto, but you are one of the most insulting bullies on this site. I'm done. (you can redeem yourself by finding an actual law that in effect prevents camping at walmart WITH their permission - otherwise you are full of hot air.)

[passman]

Someone pass the popcorn please

[zero]

45 years and we're still getting away with it, whatever that is.

I have never lived in an urban or suburban area and never had to deal with such regs. Well at least not much. In the rural town in NY where I lived for 40 years - there were local laws passed that put strict regs on RVs and totally banned farm animals. But that was only within the borders of what was defined as the "village" residential district. My place is outside the line in the agricultural" district. In the rural area like where my place is - an RV can be used as a camper for two weeks IF it has proper sanitation and is legally registered as a motor-vehicle and can be driven.

Funny the impact some poorly written laws have. When the town attempted to ban "farm animals", they did so by writing that the "practice of agriculture" was illegal within village limits. There were instant problems. First when my chickens wandered into the village. The officials soon found out that that they cannot ban "farm animals." They can stop people from owning them but cannot ban the presence of the animals. Then someone discovered that since cats and dogs were licensed by New York Ag and Markets - dogs and cats were also considered part of "agriculture." It got worse and worse. Questions like what is the difference between "cutting hay" or "mowing a lawn" came up.

[shibs]

JDE is correct is saying the Wally's does not have the final say in what is allowed in their parking lot. The city/zoning does. It gets worse, some have even come up with where you can smoke, how late you can be open, what you can sell, how big a sign you put on your OWN land. Wally had to put up no overnight parking allowed sign in popular walmarts in the southeast.

Strange but true.

Boys and Girls, let's not argue over wallys, let's keep the theme positive pls. There was a 20/20 episode or another news program that went into details of RV parking in walmart and how cities are cracking down on it.

In Michigan, we have Meijer (big box store and walmart wannabe), I am not sure if they allow overnight parking, but this summer I am going go on a few trips and park exclusively on walmartish free overnight parking spots.

[zero]

1.)JDE, you and Derek are on the same side of an argument you have yet to prove absolutely ANYTHING at all. I see myself as a nation builder for this given your past history, yet you both have failed to prove that its illegal in the law to park at walmart.

2.) The law you posted in 6.36.020 section iii. clearly states that with written permission you CAN camp there.

No it says, and I quote . . "(iii) . . . in the parking lot on the site of a business institution in a non-residential district with the written consent of both the business institution and property owner"

Note the word "both." Like I already mentioned - good luck going to a Walmart and getting a written permission slip from the business manager AND the property owner as required by the law.

Totem - once again you are picking and choosing words here and there instead of reading entire sentences.

My reason for including the Santa Cruz local-law text was only to show how absurd and "open to interpretation" some local laws are.

I will also go on record here - that I have NEVER, EVER intentionally mis-quoted or mis-cited anyone on this forum. If I ever discover I have done it, I will apologize. To the converse, you have done it many times and it's all still there in the written record. Very easy to prove. It's not like we have to work with memory alone here like in old face-to-face conversations. It's all here in writing.

[zero]

In Michigan, we have Meijer (big box store and walmart wannabe), I am not sure if they allow overnight parking, but this summer I am going go on a few trips and park exclusively on walmartish free overnight parking spots.

We've got a brand new Meijer going up right now in Alpena, MI. I've never seen one before.

After you mentioned signs - I couldn't help but post this. Here's the story. In the town where I lived for 40 years in New York there is only one dairy farm left within village limits. Note that "agriculture" is now illegal within those limits. But this farmer is "grandfathered" in. If he ever ceases to commit the crime of "agriculture" for 12 months - he's out of business forever.

So he's been at odds with town officials. He has a camper up on the hill, on his land but someone spotted a TV antenna mounted on it. So a NYS conservation officer wrote him a ticket for an "illegal" RV on his 160 acre farm. As a protest - the farmer has been posting many angry signs right across the street from a big convenience store. Officials have told him his signs are illegal but have yet to have the nerve to try to enter his land and remove them. I get a kick out of the whole deal. This ALL started over him getting a ticket for his RV on HIS farmland. Town of Worcester, Otsego Co., NY. Right along State Highway Route # 7 and Interstate # 88.

[zero]

So he's been at odds with town officials. He has a camper up on the hill , on his land but someone spotted a TV antenna mounted on it. So a NYS conservation officer wrote him a ticket for an "illegal" RV on his 160 acre farm. As a protest - the farmer has been posting many angry signs right across the street from a big convenience store. Officials have told him his signs are illegal but have yet to have the nerve to try to enter his land and remove them. I get a kick out of the whole deal. This ALL started over him getting a ticket for his RV on HIS farmland. Town of Worcester, Otsego Co., NY. Right along State Highway Route # 7 and Interstate # 88.

For context -the "Mark Vencak" mentioned on one of the signs is the New York State conservation officer that wrote the ticket for the illegal RV that you can see on top of the hill in one of the photos. The cop was astonished that he could not just enter the land and remove that sign with his name on it. Then the county DA got involved. I've got to admit - I would not have had the nerve to post signs like that on along a state highway.

[Gary_M]

Those signs are good and I guess I would be just as mad.

Funny to see how things never change but yet they do. A Wallmart here in Marysville, WA had NOP here since I can remember. That all changed when Cabelas came in next door and set aside parking specifically for RVs and 18 wheelers. The NOP signs at WM came down. One thing nice about parking at Cabelas is you can sleep on that "just gotta have" purchase, like the nice derringer that I was after. ;-)

[Totem]

"These laws are negated if you have permission."

OK, whatever you see through whatever coloured glasses you're wearing today.

Could you please post the NYC law you seemed to quote earlier? I wonder what 'loophole' (straw) you'll clutch at in there.

You (and maybe Fred) seem to be the few who find it hard to accept there a places where laws/ordinances or other reasons preclude Walmart 'camping'.

"Walmart No Park Locations:- This is a list based on the daily visitor reports we get here and in the apps and signage. There are probably many more locations that do not allow overnight parking."

http://www.allstays.com/c/walmart-locations-noparking.htm

I doubt if there are many who care why NOP happens, just that it happens. I know I don't.

You are funny asking me to quote what law makes parking illegal at a Walmart with permission in NYC, that nice. I will reply by saying there isn't one until you prove there is as I have said all along.

[Totem]

No it says, and I quote . . "(iii) . . . in the parking lot on the site of a business institution in a non-residential district with the written consent of both the business institution and property owner"

Note the word "both." Like I already mentioned - good luck going to a Walmart and getting a written permission slip from the business manager AND the property owner as required by the law.

Totem - once again you are picking and choosing words here and there instead of reading entire sentences.

My reason for including the Santa Cruz local-law text was only to show how absurd and "open to interpretation" some local laws are.

I will also go on record here - that I have NEVER, EVER intentionally mis-quoted or mis-cited anyone on this forum. If I ever discover I have done it, I will apologize. To the converse, you have done it many times and it's all still there in the written record. Very easy to prove. It's not like we have to work with memory alone here like in old face-to-face conversations. It's all here in writing.

That's ok you misquoted the Santa cruz law and that's good enough for my purposes today. Permission is permission, you get it and that law is negated. Anyone? Does anyone take permission not to mean that? Permit is a permit buddy. You have not proven a law that states otherwise, don't construe being incorrect with being insulted. It's ok to be wrong and I make mistakes, and when I am proven to make them I yield. but right now I have yet to be proven to have made one... You on the other hand absolutely will say anything but what the topic and hand is, that there is no law that is not negated with permission to camp in a Walmart parking lot. If you can't get permission then that law is in effect. Everything else is hot air.

[passman]

Still no popcorn

[Derek up North]

I think it's Toetum's turn to buy.

[rad wolfe]

if you earn a 'star' does it go on your permanent record?

[fred heath]

As I said earlier in the thread, it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.

[zero]

That's ok you misquoted the Santa cruz law and that's good enough for my purposes today. Permission is permission, you get it and that law is negated. Anyone? Does anyone take permission not to mean that? Permit is a permit buddy. You have not proven a law that states otherwise, don't construe being incorrect with being insulted. It's ok to be wrong and I make mistakes, and when I am proven to make them I yield. but right now I have yet to be proven to have made one... You on the other hand absolutely will say anything but what the topic and hand is, that there is no law that is not negated with permission to camp in a Walmart parking lot. If you can't get permission then that law is in effect. Everything else is hot air.

You lost me. I have no idea what exactly you claim I "misquoted." Show me something I put in quotations or in citation-form that I somehow altered.

And no . . . "permission" is NOT "permission" in this context. Permission from a property owner is not the same as permission to violate a local law. Two very different things. As I said, kind of like a "quit-claim" deed if you know what one is. I can legally sell to you the Mackinac Bridge by "quit claim" deed. That because all such a deed does is relinquish any rights "I might have" to something. It does not claim I have any such rights. In a way, Walmart is doing the same when they warn they might give permission but a camper STILL must be in compliance with local-laws.

[Timbone]

I'm not trying to educate anyone about US property rights. Or compare to Canadian. I'm not a lawyer in either country. I'm merely to point out that there are MANY Walmarts in the US with NOP for WHATEVER reason (that I have no real interest in researching individually). And MANY that aren't in NYC or LA.

I have no idea why this link doesn't work for you. It takes me directly to post #19728 on the WalmartRVing Yahoo Group with another example of a city (Gardner, KS) with an ordinance banning overnight parking at Walmart, though it sounds like it was not currently enforced but on the books none the less.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/walmartrving/conversations/messages/19728

Have to be a member of that group to view/open link.

[Timbone]

This was interesting reading. Maybe should have a separate thread? Just a thought. Now about that Americana, did anyone buy it? Is the original poster buying it? What is the status? Hope everyone is well.

[shibs]

For context -the "Mark Vencak" mentioned on one of the signs is the New York State conservation officer that wrote the ticket for the illegal RV that you can see on top of the hill in one of the photos. The cop was astonished that he could not just enter the land and remove that sign with his name on it. Then the county DA got involved. I've got to admit - I would not have had the nerve to post signs like that on along a state highway.

Now that guy has some Cajolies, way to go. Talk about corrupt COs

[shibs]

You are funny asking me to quote what law makes parking illegal at a Walmart with permission in NYC, that nice. I will reply by saying there isn't one until you prove there is as I have said all along.

I think I need a beer, make that some rum instead and I don't drink.

In the city of Loma Linda, CA, smoking is banned. In the entire city. I think it is a $25 infraction.

Anyone living nearby, pls head out there and smoke a pack, I give you full permission!

Heck, I will even buy you the pack.

[shibs]

I think it's Toetum's turn to buy.

I just put a pack in the microwave...

[passman]

I just put a pack in the microwave...

Sweet! And I heard mention of rum also, though I'd prefer vodka myself....

[jjrbus]

As I said earlier in the thread, it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.

I tried to "like this" post but I used up my quota for today! JIm SW FL