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So my axle snapped off as I was cruising down the highway. Not that it hasn't been said here before, but I now highly recommend upgrading from the fake duallys! Hopefully you'll do it before this happens to you. Pretty terrifying to be fishtailing back and forth, I was lucky I got it under control and pull over to the breakdown lane. 

That being said... can anyone point me in the right direction for info on the upgrade? I know it's been gone over somewhere on here before. Specifically, I'm curious what to look for and where for the new full floating axle.

Thanks!

Mischa

 

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I've not read through the 13 pages (recently), but there's bound to be some useful info in the 'Axle Facts' thread. Ignore the probable posts saying the upgrade isn't needed for smaller, lighter motorhomes, for obvious reasons!

 

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some possibilities. remember your looking for parts for 1986 or newer and you need wheels too

Linda S

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1989
Rear Axle Assembly
Toyota Truck
3.0L,AT,RWD 221,470 C 160173 $700 Randy's Auto USA-ME(Auburn) Request_Quote 1-877-352-4898 Request_Insurance_Quote
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1989
Rear Axle Assembly
Toyota Truck
DUELLY     B12096 $600 Amherst Oakham Auto Recycling USA-MA(Oakham) Request_Quote 1-800-992-0441 Request_Insurance_Quote
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1992
Rear Axle Assembly
Toyota Truck
430 RATIO DUAL 1 TON 0 A 100003 $Call Wing's Used Auto Parts USA-MA(Tewksbury) Request_Quote 978-851-8100/1-800-527-1466 Request_Insurance_Quote
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I've seen some people on here scrap duallys all together and just put an axle with 2 tires... what are the pros/cons to this vs. full floating duallys?

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Probably doable with your little home. Single 14" rims on a 5-lug axle. 185R14 LR D tires rated @ 1875lb each @ 65psi. Or 'upgrade' to 195R14 LR D. 2094lb @ 65psi. Downside is a larger diameter changing gearing a bit.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lionhart-LH-HTS-195R14-106-104R-BW/341169827

Are you anywhere near to Colchester? To get an axle from Rathe's or Richards?

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Hmmm... interesting. Can I still use the tires I have? They are in good shape. 

Yes, I'm 10 mins away from Rathe's. Haven't been to Richard's but I can check and see what they have

 

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22 hours ago, MischaT said:

So my axle snapped off as I was cruising down the highway. Not that it hasn't been said here before, but I now highly recommend upgrading from the fake duallys! Hopefully you'll do it before this happens to you. Pretty terrifying to be fishtailing back and forth, I was lucky I got it under control and pull over to the breakdown lane. 

That being said... can anyone point me in the right direction for info on the upgrade? I know it's been gone over somewhere on here before. Specifically, I'm curious what to look for and where for the new full floating axle.

Thanks!

Mischa

 

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Sorry about your problem, good you are OK.    One of the FB members in Vermont has a 6 lug for sale, with no rims for $500.   He is a mechanic so may be able to help you out. I believe he is located in Orleans if that is any help.  Let me know.

 

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1 hour ago, jjrbus said:

Sorry about your problem, good you are OK.    One of the FB members in Vermont has a 6 lug for sale, with no rims for $500.   He is a mechanic so may be able to help you out. I believe he is located in Orleans if that is any help.  Let me know.

 

Hmmm... How would I go about finding this person?

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Hi , MischaT I’m the guy on the FB group with the 6 lug axel, it came out of an 88 Uhaul box truck and I’m in the process of replacing the brakes and seals. What year is your Toy? Some of the late 70s and early 80s had a different spring mount width and require a lot more work to install, others on here may know more about that. My shop is too small to get a MH inside and I’m done working in the yard for the winter. 

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21 minutes ago, loghausmotors said:

Hi , MischaT I’m the guy on the FB group with the 6 lug axel, it came out of an 88 Uhaul box truck and I’m in the process of replacing the brakes and seals. What year is your Toy? Some of the late 70s and early 80s had a different spring mount width and require a lot more work to install, others on here may know more about that. My shop is too small to get a MH inside and I’m done working in the yard for the winter. 

This sounds interesting. My camper is a 1977. Is there anything I can check out to see if its the right mount width? Anyone on here know?

I have it at a shop currently, I told they guy I'd try and see what I could find for an axle and he said it was about a half days work to do the swap when I find one. He was pretty adamant on convincing me to buy one from Arizona and have it shipped because of rust problems and moisture freezing/thawing when they're sitting for a long time. Any thoughts on this? I'm trying to get out of this predicament spending as little as possible since I am trying to sell the camper, but I also don't want to cut corners and screw over the next owner.

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I sent you a PM.

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Here is a option http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/toyota-off-road-parts/79-95-4runner-hilux-pickup/axles.html these are heavy duty axles from the off road guys, your camper is in the weight range that you can get by with single wheel. the Foolies actually exasperate the breakage do to the increased leverage of the outside wheel. One thing for sure these things don't break from the excess power.

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1 hour ago, loghausmotors said:

Hi , MischaT I’m the guy on the FB group with the 6 lug axel, it came out of an 88 Uhaul box truck and I’m in the process of replacing the brakes and seals. What year is your Toy? Some of the late 70s and early 80s had a different spring mount width and require a lot more work to install, others on here may know more about that. My shop is too small to get a MH inside and I’m done working in the yard for the winter. 

Did not know you were a member here Larry!   My work is done here, so I will go play with my toy :lol:

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And here's the 18' Sunrader axle failure from late last year:-

 

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So next time someone says that 'shorties' don't need to be upgraded, .....

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Here are some pictures of the Full Floating Dually axle for sale near me for $500. I have several questions about it:

1) Does anyone know if the mounts with match up with mine? Apparently there is some variation in that.

2) Similar question for drive train. Same yolks?

3) If I went ahead with this one, does anyone know where I could find some dually rims?

4) I was leaning toward scraping duallys altogether and going for singles, but not sure where to look. I checked a locale yard and there wasn't anything. I really appreciate the tips I was given on where to find a good FF dually axle... Anyone know where to find a cheap single axle?

Thanks

Mischa

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On 11/10/2017 at 9:26 AM, linda s said:

For your little rig single wheels are definitely an option.

Linda S

What would I be looking for? 4x2, 1 ton, 3.90 ratio, w/o ABS? Just making sure I am narrowing down my search correctly.

-M

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It's not a plug and play there is a good bit of work involved.

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You need to measure how wide your springs are apart. Then measure the width of the spring mounts on the axle. This is "the big deal" If they match its easy switch. The gear ratio should be 4.10.

Minor hiccups that are an easy fix are the emergency brake cable and POSSIBLY the drive shaft flange.

You should rebuild the axle while its out (Bearings and seals) With the chunk out look carefully at the gear teeth for chips and wear. Spin the flange and check for noises and smoothness.

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2 hours ago, WME said:

With the chunk out look carefully at the gear teeth for chips and wear.

And count teeth so you can be certain that it's (the most common) 4.10:1 ratio.

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