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  1. I was trying to make it down to Aero tanks to get a larger 30 gal tank before my trip next month but it doesnt look like I am going to be able to get off work for a few days to do that. So anyways yesterday I dropped my tank to clean it and it was way worse then I thought. And the guy who sold it to me told me he just changed the fuel pump which I found out was a complete lie but the 1/4 inch of rust on the fuel pump that was in there. So while I was dropping my tank I had noticed the line the breaks away for the generator fuel supply goes up and sits higher then the tank. The generator I just got is just a gravity fed carb and I was planning on just hooking this fuel supply to the fuel tank but now I dont see how this would work. Did the generators that were in these have fuel pumps on them to pull the fuel from that tank or am I just overlooking something?
  2. I dont understand. It's an article about oil companies that are mixing in ethanol with their gas before they export it to get the ethanol criedt from the goverment and working the system. How does this down play ethanol as a fuel? This is just another example of why it's a good thing we are cutting the ethanol subsidy.
  3. The US is the largest producer of ethanol in the world. We produce twice the amount that brazil does and we even export ethanol. Ethanol is a fuel and can be made number of different ways. As it is now in the US it's well known to come from corn but as other sources get larger the corn ethanol will become only a fraction of the total output. Again cellulosic ethanol began is 2010 and will out produce the corn market in the next few years. Cellulosic ethanol is made from bio waste and not from a food source. So your going to bring up a mudslide that "could" have been started by these biodiesel plants? How about the gulf oil spill????? I just get this picture in my mind of someone telling you a candy bar is bad for you while they are smoking a cigarette. Again there is much more to it then just BTU numbers. The gas engine is only 16%-18% effencient so there for your not using anywhere close to the full number of BTU's for power. If you rise the number of effencieny, which you can with a fuel like ehtanol, you can use a lot more of those BTU's. The more complete burn of the fuel you can get the better effencieny rate you will have. There are guy's that will run CNG kit's on their diesel trucks to work with the diesel. It mixes in at the intake of the engine. Some of these guys are getting upwards of 40 MPG out of a full size diesel truck that would usally get around 20 MPG. The BTU rating of CNG is about 1/4 of diesel so how could that be. It's because it lets the fuel burn more completey. CNG always works very well in diesel engine's because of the high compression because CNG is around 120-130 octane if I can remember correct. Even if you want to do a test for yourself try mixing some ethanol into your tank you have now at a ratio higher then 10%. I know with my 2007 jetta I get the best MPG at around 5/8 of a tank of gas and the rest topped off with E85. Even though this would give it a overall lower BTU rating then regular gas this still gives the best MPG and my engine is just a stock engine set to run on gas so just think if this engine was built to take better advantage of the ethanol. So I doubt they flunked science class you just have to look into it deeper.
  4. I found someone online that has already done the e85 conversion to their toyota motorhome. He is at the bottom of this page: http://www.fuelflexint.com/pages/comments.htm I wonder if he is on this site?
  5. The fact that they did not renew the subidy is great news. All that money was doing was going to the oil companies. The oil companies could cut their gas with a cheaper ethanol and get paid .45 a gallon for it, it just wasnt making sense. This also helped them because they could make a poor quality gas and mix in with ethanol to bring it up to the legal minimum. I dont think this is going to be the end of ethanol at all, like I said all they are doing is talking $6 billion from the oil companies $85 billion a year profit. How do you figure it will not be around till gas is $6.00 a gallon? Ethanol is still cheaper and the oil companies will still cut it with gas to save money they just wont be getting paid for the goverment to do it now. 10 years ago E10 was only around in the big cities to cut down polution but when oil spiked 10 years ago that's when everyone start mixing e10 because it was cheaper. I just wanted to show you that ethanol in avation is out there. I too work in the avation industry now. I am a jet engine mechanic for the U-2 and global hawk airframes so I do know a thing or two about fuel preperation for high altitude as our planes fly to 70,000+ feet.
  6. alright well this is an aurgument that just keeps going back and forth now. the energy in to energy out ratio of ethanol is 1 in to 1.3 out. The energy in to out ratio of gas is 1 in to .87 out. You name all that stuff about what needs to be done for ethanol, how about the process for oil. If there is enough demand to build a platform in the middle of the ocean and drill down miles deep just to get the raw product seems like a lot of work to get that energy. Like maineah said look at brazil has done to fuel their country on ethanol. I understand they have sugar cane there which has much more sugar content then corn but it just shows you can run a country on ethanol. We cant really do much to change the process of how the goverment has run the program up till now but what we can do is use the fuel. If the demand goes up for this fuel then it will enter the private sector more. The same situation I just talked about oh how the demand of oil have made drilling in remote places worth the expense could be the same drive that would take place in the ethanol market. Waiter have you herd of AGE85 fuel? Its an avation fuel and containes 85% ethanol. One of the main selling points they say is it helps fight off icing in the fuel lines. When water get's into ethanol is has the ability to be able to spread in out even and pass through the system with no problems. When water gets in gas in get's together in pockets and can cause problems when it hits the system all at once. If you ever used the additive dry gas all it is doing is grabing the water and spreading it. It uses alcohol to do this.
  7. alright well this is an aurgument that just keeps going back and forth now. the energy in to energy out ratio of ethanol is 1 in to 1.3 out. The energy in to out ratio of gas is 1 in to .87 out. You name all that stuff about what needs to be done for ethanol, how about the process for oil. If there is enough demand to build a platform in the middle of the ocean and drill down miles deep just to get the raw product seems like a lot of work to get that energy. Like maineah said look at brazil has done to fuel their country on ethanol. I understand they have sugar cane there which has much more sugar content then corn but it just shows you can run a country on ethanol. We cant really do much to change the process of how the goverment has run the program up till now but what we can do is use the fuel. If the demand goes up for this fuel then it will enter the private sector more. The same situation I just talked about oh how the demand of oil have made drilling in remote places worth the expense could be the same drive that would take place in the ethanol market. Waiter have you herd of AGE85 fuel? Its an avation fuel and containes 85% ethanol. One of the main selling points they say is it helps fight off icing in the fuel lines. When water get's into ethanol is has the ability to be able to spread in out even and pass through the system with no problems. When water gets in gas in get's together in pockets and can cause problems when it hits the system all at once. If you ever used the additive dry gas all it is doing is grabing the water and spreading it. It uses alcohol to do this.
  8. I do understand what your saying and I am all for getting programs off the goverment money. I too grew up on a farm and in an area where you worked hard for your money. I'm now in the military in CA located in a city that is always top 5 on the unemployment ratings in the country. It's sad this state puts out $90,000,000 a day for unemployment. Like I said I agree with you 100% about getting this program and most other programs off the goverment it's just there are 5000 other things I would cut from the list before I cut this one. I'm not saying food prices didnt go up I am just saying that only a fraction of the increase of the price your paying at the store is because of this. Yes when the price of corn goes up all the other crops go up as well. Again I dont see this as a 100% bad thing. You have to remember that the US can produce some of the cheapest food in the world, so cheap that it puts other countrys out of business because the can't compete with the world price of food. The price is so cheap but yet the goverment shells out money to farming. Why dont we let the price of food go up so the farmers can take care of themselfs and this will also spark business in other parts of the world to grow more food. As far as animal feed that is a whole different argument. I myself am a supporter of free range farming which has a much higher cost at the store in the first place over these other meats that are mass produced. Dont think I am a hippy or a extreme green party guy because I am not I dont pick one side of the goverment and base all my thinking with them I take each issue and put my own thoughts into it. I believe we have gotten so use to everything being so cheap and the second the price of something goes up we think the world is going to end. If you go to wal mart and buy a box fan for $5 and then you in a ace hardware and see a box fan for $30 you think wow that is a rip off. When the one box fan was produced in china paying cheap labor and the other one built by a factory in the US. We do the same thing for our food. We go to wal mart and buy all this food the is coming from these food factories that hire illegal workers under the table and have unsafe conditions with dieses outbreaks in food etc. And then we are in shock when these stories come out in the news about outbreaks. Do you know how much work is involed in the whole food process? Well I assume you do if your a farmer haha but anyways, if you add it all up that is the price your paying for top notch food such as free range meats and etc. It's not that that kind of meat is expensive it's just that is the price that meat is sposed to be, the other stuff just cuts a bunch of corners and sells it for 1/3 of the price but people now think that 1/3 is the normal price it should be. So yes your box of cheerio's has increased 45% in the last three years but my price of gas as increased 300% and it would have increased even more without ethanol. We dont have the oil in the country to support our demand, Well unless you count shale oil but the goverment and the modern day public will not let us go that route anyways. What we do have right here and right now is ethonal. We already have the technology to use it more effient it's just that car builders are not going to build a car that's main selling point is ethanol when 99% of the public say's that's stuff is crap it will eat through your engine block, that stuff is only 85 octane, that stuff only gets half the MPG. etc The real problem is not with the fuel itself the real problem is with the public backing or really just public knowledge about the product. For the ethanol production layout until 2022 (which I dont 100% agree with myself) has corn ethanol maxed out in 2015 but leveled off in 2010 so there is not going to be much more of a drive on the corn market then there is right now. Cellulosic ethanol started up in 2010 but only brought in about 1,000,000 (because there was only one plant built) in 2011 though there is going to be 25x that amount of cellulosic ethonal. With the layout plan they have they have cellulosic ethanol bringing in 16 billion gallons a year by 2022 and corn staying at 15 billion gallons a year.Now what they didnt add into this plan is alge ethonal which I think is an even better idea. Alage and reproduce it's self 10x in one day in a sunny area. They have plans laid out that they could produce enough ethanol for this country just by building these alage plants in the deserts of nevada. Now I now that is not realistic but with the sources of the rest of ethanol already I believe it would take a huge chunk of our oil that why buy from other countries. So yes the structure of how they are doing ethanol in this country right now being run by the goverment is worng I agree with you. But to say the structure is not there for ethanol (not just corn ethanol) to become a main stream source of fuel and not just a trendy green hippy fuel is just not true in my opion. There are so many options out there to make more ethanol with not using corn but these companies are not going to build these plants if the corn ethanol plants that the goverment built (like the one you talked about) are not even being used because we are not using the fuel as consumers. So like I stated earlier the main probelm I see is not with the fuel itself, it's with the public backing and more knowledge about the product. Wow this thread has gotten a little off topic from fuel types haha.
  9. Yes ethanol gets .45 a gal from the goverment but like I had stated before this is not even needed if the price of oil is over $60 or somewhere around that. As far as food prices the cost of what your buying that is going towards the food is less then 20% of the cost of the item. When food prices go up and everybody blaims ethanol most of the cost spike is not. When the price of oil goes up everything goes up including the cost of food. This has a much larger impact on the price then the price of the corn. There are a couple of ethanol plants that's this has happened to. I bill came out stating how much ethanol production we need to have per year all the way up to 2022. The problem is that bill was projecting making ethanol faster then we can build up the pumps to sell it. If they would mix it at e30 then we wouldnt have a probelm but as this thread is a perfect example of the what the public thinks they know about ethanol. If we would back this plan and would also push car makers to produce these ethanol effienicent engines we would have a lot stronger economy and a much more stable fuel supply.
  10. The price to produce ethanol is cheaper then gas when oil is around $45-$50 a barrel. At today's price of oil at $98 a barrel yes ethanol is cheaper to produce. When oil is at $50-$70 ethnaol beats oil even without the subsidy even taking into account the 2/3 energy loss that today's engine produce from running ethanol. This is also with today's ethanol production efficiency rates right now which are getting much better every year. Farmers are goverment subsidized wheather or not they are in ethanol production. With the ethanol market is rises corn prices so there is not a need for farming to be subsidized. So no if you stop goverment subsidies farming will go away but not ethanol because that seems to be their money maker. And do you really want to get started on what the goverment has to pay to make sure we have a source of oil?
  11. I know what your saying about BTU rating and energy rating but there really is more to it then that. They have done many studies with cars on straight gas, e10, e20, and e30 and compaired MPG and e20 and e30 for a lot of cars get better gas milage then or e10 or straight gas even though the e0 and e10 have a higher BTU rating. I has to do with the chemical reaction of the two and having a more complete burn. If you would like to read a story on in here is a few. http://www.ethanol.org/pdf/contentmgmt/ACE_Optimal_Ethanol_Blend_Level_Study_final_12507.pdf As far as price was ethanol is cheaper to produce then gas and also has a higher output rate. There are plenty of people out there that talk about how you only get 1.3 units of energy of ethanol for every 1 unit put in the thing you dont here is gas is .84 units out for every one unit in. With using corn for ethanol they only use the outer shell of starch and the rest can be used for food. There are plenty of other ways we can make ethanol in the country it's just the demand needs to be there from the consumer. when we learn how to use it right it will be there.
  12. I agree with you that the 10% ethanol fuel at the pumps is crap. I believe we should have a choice of gas also in using blender pumps. With blender pumps you can choose from straight gas all the way to E85. With E10 you do lose MPG but not all of that is from the ethanol a lot of it has to do with that it's a lower quality gas that they use to cut with the ethanol. 10% is also a very bad ratio to mix with gas. 30% ethanol is a much better ratio to mix with and you will get better MPG on 30% ethanol then you will with 10% ethanol as long as it is a quality mix and not E30 gas that is rated at 87 octane. As you had said you losing MPG when using 10% ethanol but keep in mind ethanol is also keeping the price of gas down about .50 a gallon. Not sure what you mean as far as a winter blend and also making your engine last as long.
  13. alright thanks just wanted to make sure.
  14. I forgot to look last night and I am trying to order one now. Is the overhead hood vent on top of the stove 12v power?
  15. All I am trying to say is there is a link between running higher octane fuels and being able to controll engine temps not just in cylinder pinging. I have a buell motorcycle which has a air cooled harley motor in it and they are known for there down flaw off having a hard time of getting rid of heat. If you are ever in traffic or low speeds the cooling fan would run non stop trying to cool the motor. When the bike was tuned on E85 it ran much cooler and the cooling fan would almost never kick on. Yes for the everyday driving on your motorhome you will be fine running the cheap grade gas as long as you dont get any ping out of the motor. I am just saying if your in for a long day of driving with big hills or high outside temps it might help you running high grade that day even if your not experiencing pinging.
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